Not looking good for expat pensioners after BREXIT !!

bostonerimus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Forced labour. Paid less than minimum wage. Moved from site to site to avoid detection.

Owners don't declare income from operations.

Surely that's an employment law problem rather than anything to do with immigration.

JoeEngland

bostonerimus wrote: »

Surely that's an employment law problem rather than anything to do with immigration.

Or maybe it's a problem with enforcing employment law and immigration.

JoeEngland

mirko wrote: »

My wife is a nurse and a few of her colleagues (Spanish & Polish) in the last two years have decided to move away from the UK for their next job opportunity as they have no idea if they'll be eligible to work in the UK after Brexit.

Whatever you "are" Remain/Leave it's hard not to think the way the govt have proceeded has been awful. If it's true that nurses etc. would be welcome, then enshrine it in law, or make a big deal of it. They haven't, they've just made vague claims about 36k per year.

My wife is one of 8 nurses on her ward, and one of only two Brits. Ticking time bomb.

There's a worldwide shortage of medical staff, and in many cases what is our gain by recruiting foreign doctors and nurses is a loss to their home country. AFAIK there are few countries that train more doctors or nurses than they need.

Malthusian

bostonerimus wrote: »

The EU has freedom of movement and EU citizens can move anywhere in the EU to find a job and a work visa is not required. However immigration is not "unfettered". Countries can make rules about residency requirements. As an example, after 3 months Belgium requires immigrants to show that they can financially support themselves and have health insurance and if they don't they are deported.

That's Belgium. This is the UK and London has for years used the EU as an excuse to inflict its policies on the general population and then blame the EU for them. That is why it is terrified of Brexit. It is not about taking back control but taking away its excuses and making Westminster do some actual work.

Sir Humphrey on EU rules: "The Germans love them, the French ignore them and the Italians are too chaotic to enforce them. Only the British resent them."

Turpinr

That would give the Brexit party an enormous boost and they would likely invoke it again in a few years, after a coalition led by Corbyn does a lot of damage first

Hopefully Johnson will resign soon.He doesn't like work and is a coward.Only lying comes easy

Malthusian

bostonerimus wrote: »

Surely that's an employment law problem rather than anything to do with immigration.

Both.

If we jailed the gangmasters then we've got to register all their slaves, find council accommodation for them (one flat per person) and give them healthcare on the NHS. We can't afford that. As long as they're off the books they're not our problem.

Yes, in theory EU rules might allow us to send them back along with the gangmasters, but we won't, see above.

I am not objecting to the prospect of us finding council flats for them by the way, this isn't a "coming over here going on our dole" rant. I would be delighted if we jailed the gangmasters and allowed their slaves to settle, get proper jobs, pay taxes and be integrated into British society. I'm just pointing out why it isn't going to happen. It's in the state's interest to turn a blind eye and if anyone objects to all the "car washes" going up, call them racist.

mumf

Spadoosh wrote this:
Now if youre happy for an EU professional car cleaner to do your wifes cancer treatment i can understand your desire to welcome all EU migrants. But im going to guess youre not.

What a !!!!ing stupid dtatement. You are a total !!!!!

bostonerimus

Malthusian,
Despite your name I think we agree on a lot; certainly the love that politicians have for scapegoats. There’s plenty that’s wrong with the EU, but I can’t see how the U.K. will be able to get better trade agreements as a third country and so worry that deregulation, free ports and increased borrowing will be used to pump up the economy for short term stop gaps that will eventually leave the U.K. a rotting hulk anchored off the Continent.

When Boris says he’s going to protect the NHS I believe that he means more outsourcing to US healthcare companies and if they repeat their record of excessive cost that they have in the US UK residents will be paying as enormous fees for medical care.

Rich2808

bostonerimus wrote: »

From my perspective as an immigrant and having worked my entire career in science with people from all over the world I don't see any issue with people freely moving around for work. I consider working with someone from Poland or Spain the same as working with someone from Newcastle or Tunbridge Wells. I've competed with people from around the world all my career and I wonder why so many people don't want to do that.

The issue comes up as to whether people are self funding and net contributing - and whether the receiving country gets as much if not more of a benefit via their work and taxes vs the cost to the taxpayer.

Doing a part time unskilled job for minimum wage and paying little or no tax - while claiming housing benefit, tax credits, child benefit, free schooling and free NHS care might benefit the person migrating but not the recipient country. Some EU/EEA states like Switzerland and Belgium enforce that supposed requirement - the UK does not.

Not all migrants are doctors or scientists. If we applied your logic billions of people with few or no skills might move from the developing world to Europe, the US/Canada, Singapore, Hong Kong and Australia/NZ. Those nations have only so much capacity - working doesn't always equate to net contributing.

jsinc

atush wrote: »

No it isnt. It is the truth. Young old, unemployed. UK nationals dont want this kind of work. Ask any farmer who tries to hire them

Don't want that kind of temporary, seasonal, insecure work at the wages offered. Perhaps they could try paying more and/or we should all pay more for such produce.