Not looking good for expat pensioners after BREXIT !!

Malthusian

jaybeetoo wrote: »

Why are people who clean cars not welcome? If they pay tax what’s the problem?

They don't pay tax. And they don't just clean cars either, sweet summer child.

As a proud Englishman with the blood of Æthelstan flowing through their veins I'm pretty sure that Brits can sell drugs out of a £5 car wash just as well as any Johnny Foreigner. This is a good illustration of why the EU is much less important than everyone thinks. Fundamentally, people want to get wasted, and the free market will find a way.

atush

spadoosh wrote: »

You do realise that what youre are saying is xenohobic and racist?

No it isnt. It is the truth. Young old, unemployed. UK nationals dont want this kind of work. Ask any farmer who tries to hire them

atush

Deleted_User wrote: »

In all seriousness over here in the Fens not a lot of UK people out in the fields doing manual bending down work.
Yes as farmers - had four farmers harvest most of the fields around here. yes that's four (two families)!
But the non automated veg pickers or the sorters - very few are UK
There was a C4 programme based in Wisbech about this a few years ago, some of the locals joined but left as it was too hard.
I don't envy them - although I going to miss the additions to the Fenland gene pool. All those six foot tall blonde people coming in with the correct amount of fingers and toes.

I saw this and other programs on the subject.

Parking_Trouble

atush wrote: »

Better get used to washing your own. No UK person will do it, just like they wont pick the fruit and veg in the fields and farms.

I'm happy to wash my own cars but occasionally pay ( cash only )
to one of many local car wash operators. All manned by East Europeans who I'm guessing are uninsured, paid cash, don't pay tax or NI, no paid sick leave, or holidays, or paternity leave, or pensions, etc.

bostonerimus

spadoosh wrote: »

The issue was never with foreign doctors. The issue has always been with unfettered immigration from the EU.

The EU has freedom of movement and EU citizens can move anywhere in the EU to find a job and a work visa is not required. However immigration is not "unfettered". Countries can make rules about residency requirements. As an example, after 3 months Belgium requires immigrants to show that they can financially support themselves and have health insurance and if they don't they are deported.

bostonerimus

From my perspective as an immigrant and having worked my entire career in science with people from all over the world I don't see any issue with people freely moving around for work. I consider working with someone from Poland or Spain the same as working with someone from Newcastle or Tunbridge Wells. I've competed with people from around the world all my career and I wonder why so many people don't want to do that.

Parking_Trouble

atush wrote: »

I saw this and other programs on the subject.

The one I saw showed how the traditional Romanian seasonal workers were less inclined to come to the UK to work in the fields due to a rise in their living standards since joining the EU.
They had to start looking for workers (a lot were students working during holidays) from Ukraine.

Minimum monthly wage in Romania £400, Ukraine £137.

Parking_Trouble

bostonerimus wrote: »

The EU has freedom of movement and EU citizens can move anywhere in the EU to find a job and a work visa is not required. However immigration is not "unfettered". Countries can make rules about residency requirements. As an example, after 3 months Belgium requires immigrants to show that they can financially support themselves and have health insurance and if they don't they are deported.

Initially Blair followed by subsequent Govts, including Cameron decided not to implement these conditions on EU immigrants.

Had they done it I suspect the referendum wouldn't have been needed or almost certainly would have swung the result to Remain.

Not sure why they didn't implement these additional controls but I guess part of it is the cost of setting up proper border controls to check who comes and goes.

Terron

westv wrote: »

Hopefully A50 will be revoked.

That would give the Brexit party an enormous boost and they would likely invoke it again in a few years, after a coalition led by Corbyn does a lot of damage first.

Thrugelmir

jaybeetoo wrote: »

Why are people who clean cars not welcome? If they pay tax what’s the problem? I can’t believe UK people will want to wash cars.

Forced labour. Paid less than minimum wage. Moved from site to site to avoid detection.

Owners don't declare income from operations.