Not looking good for expat pensioners after BREXIT !!

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jsinc wrote: »

Don't want that kind of temporary, seasonal, insecure work at the wages offered. Perhaps they could try paying more and/or we should all pay more for such produce.

Then consumers will buy cheaper products from abroad. So you need to put tariffs. And British products will face tariffs too.

Government postulated prices and salaries, isolation from global markets... Sounds familiar. Worked SO well elsewhere.

jsinc

Deleted_User wrote: »

Then consumers will buy cheaper products from abroad. So you need to put tariffs. And British products will face tariffs too.

Government postulated prices and salaries, isolation from global markets... Sounds familiar. Worked SO well elsewhere.

Why are cheaper products from abroad a bad thing if that's what British people want, and why do you propose tariffs?

atush

Parking_Trouble wrote: »

I'm happy to wash my own cars but occasionally pay ( cash only )
to one of many local car wash operators. All manned by East Europeans who I'm guessing are uninsured, paid cash, don't pay tax or NI, no paid sick leave, or holidays, or paternity leave, or pensions, etc.

Or you could jut keep washing it yourself. And not worry who is touching your car.

There are no hand washes near me really, so i wash myself or go thru a car wash.

in the mean time, i am not going to harvest cabbages int he dead of winter, or strawberries in the spring. apart from the few i plant lol

atush

bostonerimus wrote: »

The EU has freedom of movement and EU citizens can move anywhere in the EU to find a job and a work visa is not required. However immigration is not "unfettered". Countries can make rules about residency requirements. As an example, after 3 months Belgium requires immigrants to show that they can financially support themselves and have health insurance and if they don't they are deported.

So why didnt we ever do this?

[Deleted User]

jsinc wrote: »

Why are cheaper products from abroad a bad thing if that's what British people want, and why do you propose tariffs?

I am not saying it’s a problem at all. It’s just that all production within Britain will cease and just about everyone will be unemployed if salaries and prices for work within the UK are jacked up without tariffs on imports

jsinc

Deleted_User wrote: »

I am not saying it’s a problem at all. It’s just that all production within Britain will cease and just about everyone will be unemployed if salaries and prices for work within the UK are jacked up without tariffs on imports

If farming businesses aren't viable without monetary or labour subsidies maybe they're not real businesses. I'm generally in favour of free trade and free movement but I also think work should pay a living wage. Perhaps we need to individually and collectively decide what our priorities are.

In your scenario I don't understand how the natural consequence of higher wages and higher consumer costs must be protectionist tariffs and higher consumer costs. Unless one's a farmer.

[Deleted User]

jsinc wrote: »

If farming businesses aren't viable without monetary or labour subsidies maybe they're not real businesses. I'm generally in favour of free trade and free movement but I also think work should pay a living wage. Perhaps we need to individually and collectively decide what our priorities are.

In your scenario I don't understand how the natural consequence of higher wages and higher consumer costs must be protectionist tariffs and higher consumer costs. Unless one's a farmer.

So, you are saying farmers should pay higher “living wages” (decided by who?) at a loss but keep the prices same or go out of business? That’s cool. How about construction? Manufacturing (whatever’s left)? Sales? Hotels? Should UK businesses close down all shops so that people can buy stuff on Amazon? Or yeah, that won’t work... The postman will need to be paid your new “living wage” and there aren’t any taxes to pay it with as the businesses are gone.

Town centres and countryside will be quite fun to look at once your little programme is implemented.

jsinc

Deleted_User wrote: »

So, you are saying farmers should pay higher “living wages” (decided by who?) at a loss but keep the prices same or go out of business? That’s cool. How about construction? Manufacturing (whatever’s left)? Sales? Hotels? Should UK businesses close down all shops so that people can buy stuff on Amazon? Or yeah, that won’t work... The postman will need to be paid your new “living wage” and there aren’t any taxes to pay it with as the businesses are gone.

Town centres and countryside will be quite fun to look at once your little programme is implemented.

That's quite a logic leap, and you didn't address your own point on tariffs.

I said I "think work should pay a living wage" not that farmers or anyone else must be mandated to. I also referred above to consumer choice - which may or may not include the willingness to pay more for British produce. But if we're playing hyperbolic-responses then let's eliminate farm subsidies, special seasonal worker schemes, agricultural property relief etc and see how they get on in a real free market.

[Deleted User]

Probably not all that well, given that they are competing with farmers in the EU and US et al, who are subsidised and use cheap labour.

nigelbb

Parking_Trouble wrote: »

I'm happy to wash my own cars but occasionally pay ( cash only )
to one of many local car wash operators. All manned by East Europeans who I'm guessing are uninsured, paid cash, don't pay tax or NI, no paid sick leave, or holidays, or paternity leave, or pensions, etc.

Although probably not EU citizens exercising freedom of movement but more likely Albanian, Kosovan, Bosnian etc The majority of immigrants are not from the EU. Last year net EU migration was 78K while net non-EU migration was 232K i.e. about 3X as many.