Not looking good for expat pensioners after BREXIT !!

woolly_wombat

Andy_L wrote: »

bloody health tourists, coming over here & clogging up our NHS

My point was that many of those retirees in other EU countries will probably try return to Blighty permanently, and that will put a permanent strain on the NHS and social services.

As I said earlier, unintended consequences.....

ermine

woolly_wombat wrote: »

As I said earlier, unintended consequences.....

That's the whole point of Brexit. It's a belief system, and belief doesn't give a damn about consequences. It knows it's right in and of itself.


I'm ticked by the OP's original premise

Its not looking for for us expats after BREXIT...

Well, if it makes you feel any better it's not looking that rosy for residents either :eek:

westv

Hopefully A50 will be revoked.

[Deleted User]

Nick_C wrote: »

I've always felt it rather unfair that pensioners moving to Canada and New Zealand have their pensions frozen.

And anomalous that pensioners retiring to Florida do get annual increases.

But its all down to bilateral agreements.

So the status of UK pensioners in the EU will be consistent with those in other countries. If we enter into bilateral agreements - both sides agreeing - then pensions will continue to increase.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/state-pensions-annual-increases-if-you-live-abroad/countries-where-we-pay-an-annual-increase-in-the-state-pension

Here is the part I don’t get... Canadians retiring in Britain (or anywhere) get pension indexation. Brits retiring in Canada do not.

From a purely selfish British taxpayer’s point of view, this = shooting yourself in the foot. Indexation does cost money, but not as much as having a bunch of old people being forced to return and start using NHS.

bostonerimus

Reciprocal Social Security agreements eliminate double social security taxation and also sometimes allow contributions in once country to be used in the calculation of a benefit in the other. They have nothing to do with how a country decides to index link the payment of it's own benefits to expats, or indeed it's own residents, as that is governed by domestic law.

Nick_C

bostonerimus wrote: »

As Brexit was hardly contemplated years ago I don't think it's reasonable to expect UK expats to have factored it into their plans.

I used to have a friend who was kicked out of Egypt, and later forced to leave Zimbabwe. She lost a lot of money each time.

Anyone considering retiring abroad should consider all the risks involved and make a calculated decision.

But the likelihood is that the EU will agree reciprocal arrangements, and this is just another remoaner scare story.

GSP

mumf wrote: »

I find the whole Little Englander attitude to be distasteful to say the least.They don't want ' Foreigners ' here.That was always the issue I feel.
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This statement epitomises the clear lack of understanding remainers have. They just don't get it.
The idea of leaving is to control, not stop immigration. Those with nursing skills would be welcomed, those who just come here to clean cars are not. Just how many BosWashes do we need and accomodating these people puts pressure on housing, the NHS and services.
It's about quality rather than quantity, our infrastructure cannot cope with the latter.
Remainers say they are worried about their future outside the EU. Truth is our future is not bright inside if things were left as they are, it's not sustainable.

jaybeetoo

Why are people who clean cars not welcome? If they pay tax what’s the problem? I can’t believe UK people will want to wash cars.

bostonerimus

Nick_C wrote: »

But the likelihood is that the EU will agree reciprocal arrangements, and this is just another remoaner scare story.

The UK will likely eventually come to an agreement with the EU about citizen's rights. The issue is that the agreement is taking a long time and people are suffering with the uncertainty of residence visas, access to health care, pet passports, banking and pensions. When my long term friend from the Home Counties who is a life long Conservative voter and UK patriot is so annoyed that she is getting French citizenship and would do so even if it meant giving up UK citizenship (it doesn't) then I know that Brexit has been royally messed up.

bostonerimus

GSP wrote: »

This statement epitomises the clear lack of understanding remainers have. They just don't get it.
The idea of leaving is to control, not stop immigration. Those with nursing skills would be welcomed, those who just come here to clean cars are not. Just how many BosWashes do we need and accomodating these people puts pressure on housing, the NHS and services.
It's about quality rather than quantity, our infrastructure cannot cope with the latter.
Remainers say they are worried about their future outside the EU. Truth is our future is not bright inside if things were left as they are, it's not sustainable.

I feel this is the reason many Brexiters give for their vote. Unfortunately it misunderstands the positive effects on the economy of immigration at all levels. It also misunderstands the level of control all EU countries have on whether they allow people to stay in the country ie EU countries can make residence contingent of a number of factors such as having a job. eg Belgium allows any EU citizen to be there for 3 months and they don't need a work visa. After that they need to prove that they can support themselves and have health insurance or they will be deported.