Veggie and Vegan Rant

ThemeOne

There are people who are a PITA on both sides of this particular fence. Yes some non-meat eaters are horribly preachy, and never shut up about it. They also tend to assume that everyone who shares their diet also shares their usually leftie political world view.

Then there are the meat eaters who have a constant supply of "hilarious jokes" up their sleeves usually based on the idea that all any veggie/vegan needs is a nice bit of rare steak to make their life complete (told you it was hilarious). Or they delight in trying to catch people out in "hilarious" ways - "are you sure that skirt wasn't tested on animals? I mean do you know for sure?" etc. You're probably so wracked with mirth by now you can hardly continue reading.

The scenarios presented by the OP about home entertaining are ridiculous in my view. Do many people really have "friends" who are so difficult and unaccommodating?

If friends come to my place we have vegan food and they know that before they come. If anyone has a problem with it (and no-one ever has) they can decide not to come, bring their own food, order something in when they get here, or we'll go out. I won't cook meat for them, because to me veganism is like a religion. In the same way as if you went to a Jewish or Muslim person's house you wouldn't expect them to do roast pork just for you. And the way the UK is these days, demanding they do so would likely land you in a police cell. (Note that last sentence was not 100% serious, maybe 99%).

If I'm invited to a non-vegan's house, if I don't know them well, I say that because I'm a vegan it's probably easier to turn down their kind invitation or visit outside of meal times - wouldn't want to be any trouble etc. The usual response is along the lines of "oh no, it'll be no trouble at all, been dying to try vegan cooking etc etc" to which I say "well if you're really sure it's no trouble ..." to which further protestations of how totally untroublesome it will be invariably follow, and I resolve to politely eat whatever is put in front of me. If they've made a mistake and the dish does not appear to be vegan (usually in some very minor way) I will smile, eat it and thank them for a lovely meal.

Only once in my life did someone go into a meltdown and say they really had no idea what to give me, proceeded to vaguely suggest a few obviously non-vegan dishes, and became even more horror-stricken at the thought of dessert. It was a long time ago, and I think was as much a business meeting as a social thing, so just walking away wasn't really an option. I told them I'd bring my own food, a solution that was accepted with rather bad grace, and I don't think we ever met again!

z1a

hollydays wrote: »

So by that token,and your logic, humans were made for eating too.

Yes .

prettywowers

sheramber wrote: »

My son's girlfriend cannot eat any meat-

She can eat fish so when I cook a meat meal I get fish for her.

She's not a vegetarian, then.

hollydays

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

Oh yes, the elephant in the room that vegans don’t like talking about...... B12.

A bit like the questions on this thread you haven’t come back to respond to ?:D

Retrogamer

JamoLew wrote: »

why the double standards ?
Its a lifestyle choice, its YOUR lifestyle choice - not mine :mad:

Scenario 1:

a) You invite one round for a meal, they EXPECT you to have produced a suitable meal option for them - cause you knew they were veggie/vegan....right

b) You go to theirs for a meal ---meat option --- urm nope, no way - you do realise we/I am veggie/vegan

I think double standards on this count is quite silly.
Vegans and vegetarians don't eat meat but most people who eat meat, still eat plants.

I'm not a vegan or vegetarian but i've had vegetarian main courses in restaurants before before that were i'd choose over meat ones because they are more delicious.

JamoLew wrote: »

Scenario 2:

You produce,name and display your veggie/vegan food in a manner that is designed to "trick" meat eaters into buying your product.

a) sausage
/ˈsɒsɪdʒ/

noun
noun: sausage; plural noun: sausages
1.
an item of food in the form of a cylindrical length of minced pork or other meat encased in a skin, typically sold raw to be grilled or fried before eating.

b) burger
/ˈbəːɡə/

noun
noun: burger; plural noun: burgers
a flat round cake of minced beef that is fried or grilled and typically served in a bread roll; a hamburger.

Use you own names and styles - If you dislike meat/animal products - why on earth would you mimic the appearance and use the same names !!

More nonsense for the most part.
If i buy a sausage for example it will normally clarify in large writing if the sausage filling is. I.e pork, beef or plants of some kind.

The only part i agree on here is more accurate labeling.
I.e if i order a beef burger, i've a good idea what the main ingredient in the patty is.
But if i ordered a vegetarian burger then it's too vague as i've no idea on what the main ingredient is likely to be.
As long as it's more descriptive i have no problem with plant based sausages and burgers but i'm going to have to draw the line at haggis or bacon. Vegetarian or plant based bacon or haggis is an oxymoron

JamoLew wrote: »

Scenario 3:

a) a veggie/vegan offers a snack or food item to a meat eater who then comments "that was quite nice". Bring on the smug "ooo you know that was vegan right" reply (or similar)

b) a meat eater offers a snack or food item to a veggie/vegan who then comments "that was quite nice" - to which the meat eater replies "you realise that was baby cow/lamb etc etc that you just ate" -- I bet the response isnt the same !!

DOUBLE STANDARDS

Rant over...thanks

Again, you're selectively ignoring that the vast majority of people who eat meat don't have a problem with eating foods that contain plant based ingredients.


I'm not a vegetarian or vegan btw and never have been. But your points are not at all logical.

sheramber

prettywowers wrote: »

She's not a vegetarian, then.

No, she's a pescatarian but due to medical reasons , not a lifestyle choice.

There can be good reason for someone to avoid a particular food.

Norman_Castle

Retrogamer wrote: »

I think double standards on this count is quite silly.

The premise of the thread is silly. "Vegetarian and Vegan Rant" based on a study of one vegetarian offering the op a veggie sausage.

This should be on the relationships board where he can be advised how to politely turn down the offer of his friends sausage without offending them.

George_Michael

hollydays wrote: »

So by that token,and your logic, humans were made for eating too.

Why not?
Humans are simply animals and for thousands of years formed a small part of the food chain for other animals.
It's only as the human race has evolved that we've learnt to stop this happening too often.

hollydays

Here endeth this thread that’s just got more ridiculous .
Ps my comment was attempting to get a logical answer from someone who asked a question. Read the posts.

DoaM

Norman_Castle wrote: »

how to politely turn down the offer of his friends sausage without offending them.

Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. Say no more, eh?