Veggie and Vegan Rant

DigForVictory

I've a lactose-intolerant vegan sister. There are two dishes she will eat at the family table, that we also dig into as a side veg, The rest of the time, we do not expect her to cook for us, largely as her budget can't stretch to meet for everyone.

You recall those "food glorious food" bags for life from Tesco? Shades of blue? They did a "meat glorious meat" one in red, deliberately colour coding to identify meat products quickly &safely, & had to pull it after vigorously worded vegetarian protest... Saddening that a dietary choice should be so vehement sometimes.

hollydays

mattyprice4004 wrote: »

People would be much more forgiving of vegans if they didn’t insist on telling everyone with a set of eardrums about it.
It’s a good choice, not an opportunity to lecture everyone on what they should be eating

I’ve got a couple of friends who are, I know a few others who are-never been lectured.
It’s quite patronising to suggest they need forgiving.
I find it quite amusing that people who eat very unhealthy diets think vegetarianism isn’t healthy.

Soot2006

I am veggie, but quite happy to cook ethically sourced meat.



HOWEVER. I cannot taste the meal I am cooking, thus cannot season correctly, have to guess at what it's supposed to taste like. follow the recipe and hope for the best ... I mean it's hardly a win/win!



Instead, I pride myself on preparing something special some scratch that everyone will enjoy. If my hospitality and company isn't good enough for someone to "come back a second time" then I don't think it's much of a friendship, really.

z1a

Apart from allergy/intolerance reasons, I don't see the point in vegetarians or vegans. We're omnivores, and evolved as such.
If animals weren't meant to be eaten, why are they so tasty?

JamoLew

I think vegetarianism can indeed be a very healthy diet - I sometimes wonder about veganism tho as the ones I know always seems to be having to take some supplement or other

Carrot007 wrote: »

I would prefer a cup of that over tea/coffee any day!

You would really sit back in the evening and enjoy a warm cup of gravy ?

Soot2006 wrote: »

I am veggie, but quite happy to cook ethically sourced meat.

I like this approach and is more in line with how friends should be with each other

hugheskevi

Apart from allergy/intolerance reasons, I don't see the point in vegetarians or vegans.

This article summarises the main environmental and health reasons.

In addition, there are the animal welfare issues around animals bred over many generations to lay far more eggs or produce far more milk than normal, with associated health consequences, the by-products of meat production (eg male chicks being killed immediately after hatching) and the lack of cheap ways to kill large amounts of animals that do not wish to die humanely and without pain.

Given the above, it can reasonably be asked what is the point of consuming animal products, given it is not necessary, damaging to both global and local environment, involves animal suffering and is detrimental to the consumer's health.

We're omnivores, and evolved as such.

For the vast majority of human evolution, human numbers were 100 million or lower and mass agriculture didn't exist.

Individually, we also consumed much lower quantities of meat than the populations of developed countries do now.

So with vastly more people all consuming, on average, much more meat, the environmental consequences are considerably greater than in human history.

I think vegetarianism can indeed be a very healthy diet - I sometimes wonder about veganism tho as the ones I know always seems to be having to take some supplement or other

Vegans in particular tend to have researched their nutritional needs very carefully. Whilst their diet is capable of providing all the nutrition necessary, many may choose to supplement either individual nutrients they may be in danger of being deficient in, or taking a general supplement to target the nutrients which in which vegans are most in danger of being deficient. Omnivores tend, on average, not to pay such close attention to their nutrition, for example, this article states:

On average, those eating a plant-based diet may be deficient in three nutrients, whereas omnivores tend to be deficient in seven.

Vegetarians and Vegans also have lower BMI, on average, than other dietary types, with associated health outcomes.

A number of elite sportspeople follow vegan diets, and if it was detrimental to their performance in any way they would not be doing that, given their suite of sports nutritionists. For example, Novak Djokovic has followed a plant-based diet for several years and considers it beneficial.

Silvertabby

I don't eat red meat because I find it hard to digest, I don't eat offal because it's awful, and I don't eat pate because of the way it's produced. So, in the opinion of some of my friends, I'm a 'right fussy eater'.

Funnily enough, I have less hassle from my vegan friend - when she cooks, I happily eat vegan. When I cook I buy her her favourite M&S vegan ready meal.

hollydays

z1a wrote: »

Apart from allergy/intolerance reasons, I don't see the point in vegetarians or vegans. We're omnivores, and evolved as such.
If animals weren't meant to be eaten, why are they so tasty?

Good you’ve admitted you are intolerant .
Are humans tasty too?

Norman_Castle

Soot2006 wrote: »

I am veggie, but quite happy to cook ethically sourced meat.

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Have you considered that you are intolerant and unreasonable? Its probably best you choose your friends accordingly than complain about the ones you've got expecting them to change to suit you.

I wouldn't cook meat at home because I wouldn't want the smell lingering on my cooker.

Norman_Castle

z1a wrote: »

Apart from allergy/intolerance reasons, I don't see the point in vegetarians or vegans. We're omnivores, and evolved as such.

Being capable of eating a omnivorous diet doesn't make eating meat compulsory or necessary. We've evolved to have large brains which allow us to make choices.