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Will Brexit happen?
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The current EFTA is nothing like what the UK was in. EFTA under the old rules? sure fine. New rules (including free movement of people) obviously would be against what people voted for.
!!!!!!, aren't you one of the crowd that keeps telling us that the options on the ballot paper was "Leave or Remain"? No mention of how we leave?
Now you say that free movement is against what people voted for.
Can't remember seeing that on the ballot either.
Leaving to join the EFTA honours the referendum vote at least as well and probably better than leaving with no deal.0 -
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?Drawer_full_of_socks wrote: »So, is leaving the EU going to be financially prosperous for Britain or not?
Pre referendum:
“After we Vote Leave on 23 June, the Government should use some of the billions saved from leaving the EU to give at least a £100 million per week cash transfusion to the NHS.” Boris Johnson....
“If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” Vote Leave....
“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave....
Post referendum "we won't have more money to spend on the NHS or science but it won't be as bad as remainers say"...... Oh how wonderful Brexit is :money:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-sets-out-5-year-nhs-funding-planThe NHS will receive increased funding of £20.5 billion per year by the end of 5 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49123319Recruitment of 20,000 new police officers to begin 'within weeks'
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/police-to-get-largest-funding-increase-since-2010Police to get largest funding increase since 2010
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/spending-review-2019-the-chancellors-key-points-at-a-glanceSpending review 2019: the chancellor's key points at a glance
Your "we won't have more money" interpretation is more than a bit "off" - or are we just living in parallel universes because what I list above is happening.
So yes, Brexit is wonderful . . . . or at least it would be if the bleating anti-democratic remainers would actually let us leave the EU like we asked to.0 -
All good headlines, designed to win people over in an upcoming GE, but all pretty much meaningles behind the scenes - they are almost all announcing money they'd be getting anyway.
It was even the recommended approach of Nigel Farage, who I believe was fairly instrumental in the Leave vote.Leaving to join the EFTA honours the referendum vote at least as well and probably better than leaving with no deal.0 -
:ASo yes, Brexit is wonderful . . . . or at least it would be if the bleating anti-democratic remainers would actually let us leave the EU like we asked to.
Why would we just let you do something we think is monumentally stupid and damaging in fact it would be dereliction of duty of MPs not to do so. We can now include moderate tories in that.
If you want to leave the put forward a sensible plan and not a damaging no-deal.
As a remainer I would support leave with a sensible deal, but not no deal.
If you say exiting at all costs is democratically mandatory then I say your vote was advisory (legal fact).0 -
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!!!!!!, aren't you one of the crowd that keeps telling us that the options on the ballot paper was "Leave or Remain"? No mention of how we leave?
Now you say that free movement is against what people voted for.
Can't remember seeing that on the ballot either.
Leaving to join the EFTA honours the referendum vote at least as well and probably better than leaving with no deal.
The idea that keeping freedom of movement upholds the referendum result is fantasy.
Labour position in the GE was
Jeremy Corbyn’s spokesperson has confirmed that it is Labour policy to end freedom of movement once the UK leaves the EU.
The 2017 manifesto, For the Many Not the Few, began its section on immigration with the statement: “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union.” It added: “Labour will develop and implement fair immigration rules.”
You can't be in EFTA without freedom of movement.0 -
It was even the recommended approach of Nigel Farage, who I believe was fairly instrumental in the Leave vote.
Only before the referendum, to sucker in the voters. Afterwards he retconned it that all leave voters want out of the EU because it's full of terrible people. Like Trump did with Mexican immigrants.
The leave voters haven't woken up to how xenophobic their glorious leader is making them appear.0 -
Like not seeking terms with Germany in July 1940, for instance? That was monumentally stupid. We were clearly defeated, had no allies and should have accepted the victors' terms.Why would we just let you do something we think is monumentally stupid and damaging in fact it would be dereliction of duty of MPs not to do so.
What in Article 50 persuades you that a deal is intended to be possible? Do you at least concede in principle that the EU may deliberately write treaties so as to make them constructively impossible to withdraw from, further to its objective of ever closer union?As a remainer I would support leave with a sensible deal, but not no deal.
That's what I think was the goal. Two years to negotiate and scrutinise a deal and get it through your legislature is probably impossible. No deal was ever going to be done.0 -
The idea that keeping freedom of movement upholds the referendum result is fantasy.
Absolutely agree with you.
I just used it to prove the point that people saying that just because the words "Leave with a Deal" wasn't on the ballot paper, then people voted for No Deal is pure BS.
Can anyone supply a link to an interview or written article where in the run-up to the referendum, any member of the Leave campaign promoted leaving without any type of deal?
Just one link please?0 -
westernpromise wrote: »What in Article 50 persuades you that a deal is intended to be possible? Do you at least concede in principle that the EU may deliberately write treaties so as to make them constructively impossible to withdraw from, further to its objective of ever closer union?
That's what I think was the goal. Two years to negotiate and scrutinise a deal and get it through your legislature is probably impossible. No deal was ever going to be done.
Article 50 was written by the British (Lord Kerr). It was done to facilitate a member state's exit as there was no provision prior to this.0
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