Will Brexit happen?

adindas

Arklight wrote: »

Apart from Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen there may be a few more Tory MPs who actually do have principles .

[STRIKE]Heidi Allen (Conservative - South Cambridgeshire)
Anna Soubry (Conservative - Broxtowe)[/STRIKE]

Like these people ???
Mr Chuka Umunna (Labour - Streatham)
Mr Philip Hammond (Conservative - Runnymede and Weybridge)
Yvette Cooper (Labour - Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford)
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour - Islington North)
Mr Dominic Grieve (Conservative - Beaconsfield)
Mr George Osborne (Conservative - Tatton)
Mr David Gauke (Conservative - South West Hertfordshire)
Keir Starmer (Labour - Holborn and St Pancras)

Well sensible people who have not been blindfolded will consider them as betrayers. Keep in mind these people voted to trigger article 50 when they still have a very good chance to reverse Brexit and now try to fight to stop something they themselves have voted..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

lvader

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

The problem is it sets a precedent for future Governments to force through decisions that parliament doesn't like, and that's not how this country is supposed to be governed.

Why bother with parliament at all in that case? Let's just ease the complexity of disagreements and just have a dictator instead.

He isn't forcing through anything, parliament already voted to leave. We would have already left if the EU did what it said and not allow an extension without a plan.

LHW99

And as Laura Kuenssberg says
"This has been an extraordinarily long parliamentary session, and governments have the right to shut up shop and return to announce their proposals in a new one"
One may suspect / assume an ulterior motive, but the action is a normal parliamentary procedure, which arguably TM could / should have done as time went on.
It apparently restores days available for private members bills which had run out in the current session - so perhaps gives someone the opportunity to do something?

BikingBud

Moby wrote: »

So basically because the Govmt doesn't like the parliamentary arithmetic....it suspends that parliament.........I thought leaving the EU was about the democratic deficit......I thought leaving the EU was to make our own Parliament sovereign and unfettered by the EU. Such rank hypocrisy. Now at least we know from the cheering response of brexiteers to the decision to prorogue, the vote to leave had nothing to do with sovereignty....how could it when you treat your own parliament with contempt.

Contempt?

Speak to the MPs, those that passed A50, those that have not delivered what they committed to, about contempt.

Once you've done that ask them if they ever have any intention of delivering what the electorate empower them to do? Deliver the will of the people.

Herzlos

lvader wrote: »

He isn't forcing through anything, parliament already voted to leave. We would have already left if the EU did what it said and not allow an extension without a plan.

It voted to leave, and has then voted against every single option to leave. Clearly the only option left is to stop trying to figure it out and just go.

Malthusian

Sailtheworld wrote: »

When everyone knows you're lying (except those with cognitive dissonance) what's the point of lying?

When everyone knows you're lying what's the point of telling the truth?

In a very real sense. :think:

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

Lets not forget. Parliament voted by an overwhelming majority to leave the EU.

Parliament also voted 3 times against the deal offered by the EU.

The EU says there is no other deal possible.

Boris is simply using the only option remaining.

There is another option....he could burn the place down....a precedent set by Adolf Hitler.

BikingBud

lvader wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is, if parliament doesn't like it they will be able to call for a vote of no confidence. It probably won't stop us exciting the EU but the country already decided on that. (twice if you count the general election).

Well done on Boris who had the guts to force a decision.

I think it has excited the EU and few on here to an extreme level of excitation!

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

Contempt?

Speak to the MPs, those that passed A50, those that have not delivered what they committed to, about contempt.

Once you've done that ask them if they ever have any intention of delivering what the electorate empower them to do? Deliver the will of the people.

Was the will of the people to leave the EU without a deal? Is this 'taking back control'?

Arklight

adindas wrote: »

[STRIKE]Heidi Allen (Conservative - South Cambridgeshire)
Anna Soubry (Conservative - Broxtowe)[/STRIKE]

Like these people ???
Mr Chuka Umunna (Labour - Streatham)
Mr Philip Hammond (Conservative - Runnymede and Weybridge)
Yvette Cooper (Labour - Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford)
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour - Islington North)
Mr Dominic Grieve (Conservative - Beaconsfield)
Mr George Osborne (Conservative - Tatton)
Mr David Gauke (Conservative - South West Hertfordshire)
Keir Starmer (Labour - Holborn and St Pancras)

Well sensible people who have not been blindfolded will consider them as betrayers. Keep in mind these people voted to trigger article 50 when they still have a very good chance to reverse Brexit and now try to fight to stop something they themselves have voted..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

I'm afraid I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Twice time traitor Chuka Changesidesumunna is now a Lib Dem, half the rest aren't Tories.

The closest I can guess is that you are trying to make some point about MPs who voted for A50 and now dont want Brexit.