Will Brexit happen?

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Er, there's general elections every five years anyway.

Yeah, disrespecting the will of the people of the very first election. It's a disgrace.

You're only allowed to vote on one thing once, ever.

Theresa May offering Jeremy Corbyn a concession that is only valid until the next election is the biggest con since the leave campaign. https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-deal-jeremy-corbyn/

Backbiter

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

A sort of 52% out, 48% in option?

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/944143783364583424

IDEA. People can choose the colour of their UK passport.
Maroon passport = you can continue to travel freely, work and live across the EU.
Blue passport = you can’t do any of that but you have a blue passport.

Everyone’s happy!

Herzlos

phillw wrote: »

There is a political appetite for it, but in almost the same ~50:50 split as the country.

There's about a 50/50 split for brexit, but there's likely a 50/50 split on the kind of brexit, ergo any form of brexit will upset about 75% of the electorate.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

There's about a 50/50 split for brexit, but there's likely a 50/50 split on the kind of brexit, ergo any form of brexit will upset about 75% of the electorate.

You assume that all remain voters are not prepared to compromise which I don't believe. I voted remain but accept we have to leave and am prepared to accept a reasonable compromise and I don't think I'm that unusual.

It is possible to accept a outcome that is not ideal in your opinion that's the meaning of compromise, I believe that vocal minorities are clouding the situation.

lisyloo

ukcarper wrote: »

You assume that all remain voters are not prepared to compromise which I don't believe. I voted remain but accept we have to leave and am prepared to accept a reasonable compromise and I don't think I'm that unusual.

It is possible to accept a outcome that is not ideal in your opinion that's the meaning of compromise, I believe that vocal minorities are clouding the situation.

Your language comes across as if we have to ask for your blessing.
I’m a remainer too but we lost and no one needs your blessing or acceptance to go ahead with brexit.

I don’t think you deserve a medal for accepting that the other side won. That should be automatic as part of recognising democracy.

I think it will go ahead but will be a fudge and we’ll be more in than out which as a remainer I’m not too unhappy about although we’ll have a worse deal than before.

So I’d vote for brexit in name only which is technically brexit.

prowla

A key aim aim of brexit was to take back control of our country, but given how rubbish the government has been in making any attempt to implement that and how contemptuous Parliament has been of the democratic vote, I am now coming to the opinion that we would actually be better off without them.

Either way now, democracy in this country has been devalued.

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

Your language comes across as if we have to ask for your blessing.
I’m a remainer too but we lost and no one needs your blessing or acceptance to go ahead with brexit.

I don’t think you deserve a medal for accepting that the other side won. That should be automatic as part of recognising democracy.

I think it will go ahead but will be a fudge and we’ll be more in than out which as a remainer I’m not too unhappy about although we’ll have a worse deal than before.

So I’d vote for brexit in name only which is technically brexit.

I don't expect any one to ask for my blessing but if we are going to find a way out of this we need to find a compromise that is acceptable to majority of voters and by its nature it's not going to be what either side would want in an ideal world.

I don't expect a medal for accepting result as you it should be automatic but it's obvious many don't.

I don't think we should have had referendum but we are where we are so we should be trying for the least damaging outcome that majority will accept which will inevitably mean people who are prepared to accept nothing less than no deal or not leaving will be unhappy.

lisyloo

My views on brexit are the same as yours, but my views on trying to please everyone are not.
One side won, we don’t have to keep the other side totally happy and this is why we have the paralysis that we do.
What you want can’t be achieved.

We have (unfortunately) told people over and over that if they want to leave they can and (unfortunately) we have to deliver on that.

When you say least damaging, do you mean to the economy or the electorate? Fence sitting is exactly why we are in this situation that everyone is fed up to the back teeth of and it’s damaging to business and the economy.
We need some strong leadership.

ruperts

Some form of brexit will happen. It probably won't be isolationist enough to appease the oddballs on the far right but it will be brexit and the vast majority of the electorate will just be glad it's done with.

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

My views on brexit are the same as yours, but my views on trying to please everyone are not.
One side won, we don’t have to keep the other side totally happy and this is why we have the paralysis that we do.
What you want can’t be achieved.

We have (unfortunately) told people over and over that if they want to leave they can and (unfortunately) we have to deliver on that.

When you say least damaging, do you mean to the economy or the electorate? Fence sitting is exactly why we are in this situation that everyone is fed up to the back teeth of and it’s damaging to business and the economy.
We need some strong leadership.

I mean both and I don't think we are as far apart as you think, my problem is what some remain supporters call a compromise is nothing of the sort. I don't think people voted to leave any particular institution but because they were opposed to certain aspects of EU FOM ECJ etc and I feel the majority of those should be addressed.