Will Brexit happen?

Thrugelmir

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Let's take a look at the EU today.

Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.

We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.

So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?

The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now. 

I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.

The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection. 

You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?

Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. . 

You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.

The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

Why don't we all calm down and agree to disagree ?
There are currently more pressing problems in the country,.....

   The lockdown is going to be taxing on everyone. 

It certainly is - how about a sing song ?

I'll start ... La La La La La La La La La La La La .................... ...... Bamba !

Serioiusly I am fed up with all of the bad news

What we need is a "Vera Lynn" or a "Glen Miller" to raise the morale of the country

Any offers ?

There's a fair number of bands and artists who have resorted to streaming live performances for free already. 

50Twuncle

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Let's take a look at the EU today.

Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.

We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.

So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?

The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now. 

I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.

The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection. 

You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?

Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. . 

You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.

The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

Why don't we all calm down and agree to disagree ?
There are currently more pressing problems in the country,.....

   The lockdown is going to be taxing on everyone. 

It certainly is - how about a sing song ?

I'll start ... La La La La La La La La La La La La .................... ...... Bamba !

Serioiusly I am fed up with all of the bad news

What we need is a "Vera Lynn" or a "Glen Miller" to raise the morale of the country

Any offers ?

There's a fair number of bands and artists who have resorted to streaming live performances for free already. 

But are they depressing music or up tempo/ get the heart pumping type ?

Thrugelmir

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

Herzlos said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Let's take a look at the EU today.

Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.

We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.

So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?

The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now. 

I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.

The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection. 

You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?

Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. . 

You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.

The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

Why don't we all calm down and agree to disagree ?
There are currently more pressing problems in the country,.....

   The lockdown is going to be taxing on everyone. 

It certainly is - how about a sing song ?

I'll start ... La La La La La La La La La La La La .................... ...... Bamba !

Serioiusly I am fed up with all of the bad news

What we need is a "Vera Lynn" or a "Glen Miller" to raise the morale of the country

Any offers ?

There's a fair number of bands and artists who have resorted to streaming live performances for free already. 

But are they depressing music or up tempo/ get the heart pumping type ?

Couple I've tuned into have been acoustic. As not been able to fit the band into the room. 
Another session. Around 12 bands had a fifteen minute slot each.  Mixture of bluesy rock to full out rock. Good to dip in and out of. As a fair number I've never heard of. 

_mayonnaise_

Thrugelmir said:

Couple I've tuned into have been acoustic. As not been able to fit the band into the room. 
Another session. Around 12 bands had a fifteen minute slot each.  Mixture of bluesy rock to full out rock. Good to dip in and out of. As a fair number I've never heard of. 

I had you down as more of a black metal type of guy, Thruggles.

phillw

Thrugelmir said:
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. . 

I fail to see how you can make that huge leap. That misunderstanding does explain a bit.

phillw

Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

The EC is driven by member states national governments, like the UK Civil Service.
Is it the cooperation between the countries that is the problem for you?

Una_Voidable

phillw said:

Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

The EC is driven by member states national governments, like the UK Civil Service.
Is it the cooperation between the countries that is the problem for you?

Try for "lack of".

It has taken the Commission over a month to get bids in for PPE bits and now - at some time soon, no doubt - some pen-pusher somewhere in that lofty organisation will decide what to buy and from whom when even the commission itself says that it will take two weeks to receive supplies from when the contracts are signed.
"Newsflash*  -  your countries need this stuff now!

Meantime Germany made 6 million FFPE2 face masks for the German customs authorities - and they've gone missing in Kenya.
Nobody knows why they were in Kenya but hey ...............

Here in Britain ongoing and increased PPE orders have been made and stocks are being delivered by the Army because without that help deliveries weren't being made quickly enough.

Thrugelmir

_mayonnaise_ said:

Thrugelmir said:

Couple I've tuned into have been acoustic. As not been able to fit the band into the room. 
Another session. Around 12 bands had a fifteen minute slot each.  Mixture of bluesy rock to full out rock. Good to dip in and out of. As a fair number I've never heard of. 

I had you down as more of a black metal type of guy, Thruggles.

Damaged my eardrums years ago. The Who pumping out 250,000 watts at the old Charlton Atheltic ground was one of the highlights. Now it's Vera Lynn.......

Moe_The_Bartender

phillw said:

Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

The EC is driven by member states national governments, like the UK Civil Service.
Is it the cooperation between the countries that is the problem for you?

What cooperation is that? You've got a return of mistrust, border controls and nation first approaches. When Italy is getting more help from China than it is from its EU partners, it says a lot and the Italians won’t forget in a hurry.

Moe_The_Bartender

Una_Voidable said:

phillw said:

Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service. 

The EC is driven by member states national governments, like the UK Civil Service.
Is it the cooperation between the countries that is the problem for you?

Meantime Germany made 6 million FFPE2 face masks for the German customs authorities - and they've gone missing in Kenya.
Nobody knows why they were in Kenya but hey ...............

Here in Britain ongoing and increased PPE orders have been made and stocks are being delivered by the Army because without that help deliveries weren't being made quickly enough.

Valuable cargo goes missing at African airport. Who'd have thunk it?