Will Brexit happen?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir said:

Moby said:

Arklight said:

Brexit transition delayed, indefinitely.

Brexit cancelled, permanently.

It's a funny old world the virus has resulted in levels of spending I'd have never believed possible. We have socialism by the back door and the brexit dividend, (if there ever was one) up in smoke.

Funny old world isn't it. Brexit will become a natural transition. Creating jobs just when we need them. 

What kind of jobs?

_mayonnaise_

What kind of jobs?

All those disaffected Northerners who'll start exporting to the Commonwealth and beyond, once freed of the shackles of the EU. 

50Twuncle

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Moby said:

It's a funny old world the virus has resulted in levels of spending I'd have never believed possible. We have socialism by the back door and the brexit dividend, (if there ever was one) up in smoke.

Is there going to be any money left for spaceports, launching our own GPS system, levelling up the North and all those other brexiteer pipe dreams?

Nope - All used up for decades and we are staying in EC

That "EC" of yours is going to be very, very different post-apocolypse.
When Italy has to rely on communist help from the likes of Russia and China because it's "partners" in the "EC" are immobilised by panic and indecision ( and don't for one mad minute think that Italy will be alone ) it's obvious that the "union" is broken. 

So is (or shortly will be...) the UK too - so "re join" the club).

You stand not one single snowflake's chance in hell of that, thanks to Boris being elected. 
We have left and the default  should no agreements be forthcoming is that we're out.

Things have changed somewhat, slightly siince he made that claim - remember ?

Evidence please that anything has changed re:Brexit; that anything has changed re: the transition period; and that anything has changed re:the UK leaving completely on 31st December 2020?

https://www.gov.uk/transition

Are you not aware of the virus that has affected the whole of Europe ?
That will not give us time to get any financial agreement organised and will mean a NO DEAL 
Which will mean even more broke for even longer

I doubt that the UK will wish to keep subsidising the other member states. Given the state of the nations finances. 

But who wiill have less money - Us, or the rest of europe ?

Who would stand to make the most from the continued relationship ?

Thrugelmir

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Moby said:

It's a funny old world the virus has resulted in levels of spending I'd have never believed possible. We have socialism by the back door and the brexit dividend, (if there ever was one) up in smoke.

Is there going to be any money left for spaceports, launching our own GPS system, levelling up the North and all those other brexiteer pipe dreams?

Nope - All used up for decades and we are staying in EC

That "EC" of yours is going to be very, very different post-apocolypse.
When Italy has to rely on communist help from the likes of Russia and China because it's "partners" in the "EC" are immobilised by panic and indecision ( and don't for one mad minute think that Italy will be alone ) it's obvious that the "union" is broken. 

So is (or shortly will be...) the UK too - so "re join" the club).

You stand not one single snowflake's chance in hell of that, thanks to Boris being elected. 
We have left and the default  should no agreements be forthcoming is that we're out.

Things have changed somewhat, slightly siince he made that claim - remember ?

Evidence please that anything has changed re:Brexit; that anything has changed re: the transition period; and that anything has changed re:the UK leaving completely on 31st December 2020?

https://www.gov.uk/transition

Are you not aware of the virus that has affected the whole of Europe ?
That will not give us time to get any financial agreement organised and will mean a NO DEAL 
Which will mean even more broke for even longer

I doubt that the UK will wish to keep subsidising the other member states. Given the state of the nations finances. 

But who wiill have less money - Us, or the rest of europe ?

Who would stand to make the most from the continued relationship ?

Everyone is going to feel the financial pain. 
The relationship isn't going to stop. Just be on different terms. 

Una_Voidable

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

Thrugelmir said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

John_Doe said:

50Twuncle said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Moby said:

It's a funny old world the virus has resulted in levels of spending I'd have never believed possible. We have socialism by the back door and the brexit dividend, (if there ever was one) up in smoke.

Is there going to be any money left for spaceports, launching our own GPS system, levelling up the North and all those other brexiteer pipe dreams?

Nope - All used up for decades and we are staying in EC

That "EC" of yours is going to be very, very different post-apocolypse.
When Italy has to rely on communist help from the likes of Russia and China because it's "partners" in the "EC" are immobilised by panic and indecision ( and don't for one mad minute think that Italy will be alone ) it's obvious that the "union" is broken. 

So is (or shortly will be...) the UK too - so "re join" the club).

You stand not one single snowflake's chance in hell of that, thanks to Boris being elected. 
We have left and the default  should no agreements be forthcoming is that we're out.

Things have changed somewhat, slightly siince he made that claim - remember ?

Evidence please that anything has changed re:Brexit; that anything has changed re: the transition period; and that anything has changed re:the UK leaving completely on 31st December 2020?

https://www.gov.uk/transition

Are you not aware of the virus that has affected the whole of Europe ?
That will not give us time to get any financial agreement organised and will mean a NO DEAL 
Which will mean even more broke for even longer

I doubt that the UK will wish to keep subsidising the other member states. Given the state of the nations finances. 

But who wiill have less money - Us, or the rest of europe ?

Who would stand to make the most from the continued relationship ?

Everyone is going to feel the financial pain. 
The relationship isn't going to stop. Just be on different terms. 

Very different because the EU is, thanks to this virus, showing just how divided the "union" really is and how prepared it is to help out member countries - i.e. not at all. Look at Italy, look at how other EU countries have ignored their plight and look at who is helping! Not the EU but Russia and Cuba. Spain too have had what help from the EU? Or France? 
When this is over don't think the people suffering in those countries will forget that.

phillw

Una_Voidable said:
Very different because the EU is, thanks to this virus, showing just how divided the "union" really is and how prepared it is to help out member countries - i.e. not at all.

Yeah, the EU is going to come out of this like they just fought a war together, while we will come out of it like deserters (half of us were dragged away by the other half, but still).

Boris said that he didn't up the response because France threatened to close it's borders to us, which is pretty good evidence that was the reason.

John_Doe

phillw said:

Una_Voidable said:
Very different because the EU is, thanks to this virus, showing just how divided the "union" really is and how prepared it is to help out member countries - i.e. not at all.

Yeah, the EU is going to come out of this like they just fought a war together, while we will come out of it like deserters (half of us were dragged away by the other half, but still).

There is no "together" in the EU just now at all though as you've been told. 
Ignoring it doesn't mean it isn't happening - ask Italy.
You were warned what the EU was like & that's why the larger half than your "half" wanted to leave - and left.

phillw

50Twuncle said:
But who wiill have less money - Us, or the rest of europe ?
Who would stand to make the most from the continued relationship ?

It's not going to be a fixed situation, which is why the EU concept was such a brilliant concept. We got to profit from EU membership and so paid a tiny amount of money in to help the countries that weren't profiting so much. Resentment has driven the country to make decisions that aren't in our best interest, it's unlikely we'll start making good choices for a very long time.
As the smaller country, we have much less bargaining power in any negotiations from now until we end this folly and join the EU again.

Moe_The_Bartender

Let's take a look at the EU today.

Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.

We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Let's take a look at the EU today.

Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.

We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.

So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?