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Will Brexit happen?
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The EU was always designed so that national governments kept a tight constraint on what it does.Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.
That is why the EU commissioners were assigned by national government, rather than elected by the general public.
Our governments demanded it and then Nigel Farage lied about it to gain favour.
I doubt anyone that requires to make reflection will do so, will you?2 -
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. .Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?
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Those countries are just starting to realise that when the going gets tough the EU abdicate responsibility.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?1 -
Thrugelmir said:
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. .Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?
You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.
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The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. .Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?
You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.1 -
Why don't we all calm down and agree to disagree ?Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. .Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?
You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.
There are currently more pressing problems in the country,.....2 -
50Twuncle said:
Why don't we all calm down and agree to disagree ?Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. .Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?
You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.
There are currently more pressing problems in the country,.....
The lockdown is going to be taxing on everyone.
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Thrugelmir said:50Twuncle said:
Why don't we all calm down and agree to disagree ?Thrugelmir said:
The EU is not the EC. The EC is driven by poltical ideology. Not neutral as in the case of the UK Civil Service.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
Sounds if you agree that the bureaucracy of Brussels serves no practical purpose other than being a political project. .Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EC isn't functioning. National Governments are quite rightly taking their own decisions. There's a complete lack of cohesion. The future will bring a huge amount of reflection.Herzlos said:Thrugelmir said:
The EU, or least the states that wish to participate. Will need to decide whether they all in to the project or not. Sad state of affairs that it's taken a pandemic to draw attention to the known flaws. Going to take many years to recover from events now.Herzlos said:
So basically all the stuff you wanted and needed to leave the EU for turns out to be stuff we didn't need to leave the EU for?Moe_The_Bartender said:Let's take a look at the EU today.
Schengen effectively suspended.
Stability Pact suspended
State aid rules suspended.
Free movement suspended.
No EU budget agreement.
We should be delighted to be out of this omnishambles but the usual suspects are still trying to tell us how great the EU is.
I've got a hunch that the noone else is going to be leaving the EU over this - we need cooperation more than ever at the moment.
You're just starting to realise that the National Governments were sovereign all along?
You're going to have to walk me through that one, sorry. The EU has provided huge practical benefits to all members over the decades it's been running, it just isn't the dictatorship that Farage has been telling you it is.
There are currently more pressing problems in the country,..... The lockdown is going to be taxing on everyone. It certainly is - how about a sing song ?I'll start ... La La La La La La La La La La La La .................... ...... Bamba !Serioiusly I am fed up with all of the bad newsWhat we need is a "Vera Lynn" or a "Glen Miller" to raise the morale of the countryAny offers ?3 -
50Twuncle said:It certainly is - how about a sing song ?I'll start ... La La La La La La La La La La La La .................... ...... Bamba !Serioiusly I am fed up with all of the bad newsWhat we need is a "Vera Lynn" or a "Glen Miller" to raise the morale of the countryAny offers ?Ode to Joy?I'll start....
I used to be mayonnaise0 -
Tim Martin really going the extra mile for his staff...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/24/wetherspoons-denies-abandoning-staff-in-coronavirus-crisis?CMP=share_btn_fb
surely he could pay them out of the brexit dividend?2
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