Will Brexit happen?

Malthusian

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

adindas

Herzlos said:

adindas said:

Herzlos said:

There's no innovation. The USA isn't doing anything that we couldn't do with chickens 50 years ago, but we stopped because it was barbaric. There's nothing innovative about force feeding 50,000 chickens in a barn big enough for 10,000 chickens and then bleaching off the excrement.

I'm not arguing for protectionism, I'm arguing for upholding standards. I'm also pointing out your double standard of EU = bad, always whilst US = good, always. Even when they are doing exactly the same thing.

Good that you acknowledge they have done a bad thing to the world. I will keep this record for future reference.

If you are the first party to prove a new method, a new way of doing thing and prove it it could work it is an innovation, no matter how easy it is. The fact that later could easily be copied by other people is another matter. And remember all of this method is under close scrutiny from experts.

Regarding poultry product that is what the EU keep preaching you and there is still enough people rational want to believe that. The truth is that the EU do not want the chicken from other countries because the farmers which keep the bureaucrat in Brussel to stay in their comfort seats will punish them. It is also a way to keep the EU countries together.

Regarding the animal cruelty in the EU. What about pigtail docking practice across the EU especially  in the former eastern block such as Romania, the Bull fight in Spain, illegal transportaion of animal especially ?? Why do the EU turn a blind eye on this??. This cruelty practice has been in many documentaries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/01/revealed-exported-eu-animals-subject-to-abuse-illegal-conditions

Revealed: exported EU animals subject to abuse and illegal conditions

Well, the history has shown they could easily make a rule / regulation law that looks good but later break it if it suits them, that is the way a mafioso type organisation is operating.

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/politics/papa-dont-preach-germany-is-the-leading-breaker-of-eu-rules/23581000.html?ticket=ST-153212-kb39JzelOvNj0eq46gQ7-ap4

Germany is the leading breaker of EU rules

Another justificaiton that it is the right decision to leave this Mafiosi type organisation.

Good for you highlighting me saying something that's never been denied.

Though when you're looking for links showing EU cruelty, you should avoid the ones admitting that the conditions are already illegal...

A new way of doing something may technically be innovative, but that doesn't mean it's something to be proud of and aspire to. Remember the fake eggs thing in China? That was innovative too, but should we be trying to copy it?

Herzlos said:

adindas said:

Herzlos said:

There's no innovation. The USA isn't doing anything that we couldn't do with chickens 50 years ago, but we stopped because it was barbaric. There's nothing innovative about force feeding 50,000 chickens in a barn big enough for 10,000 chickens and then bleaching off the excrement.

I'm not arguing for protectionism, I'm arguing for upholding standards. I'm also pointing out your double standard of EU = bad, always whilst US = good, always. Even when they are doing exactly the same thing.

Good that you acknowledge they have done a bad thing to the world. I will keep this record for future reference.

If you are the first party to prove a new method, a new way of doing thing and prove it it could work it is an innovation, no matter how easy it is. The fact that later could easily be copied by other people is another matter. And remember all of this method is under close scrutiny from experts.

Regarding poultry product that is what the EU keep preaching you and there is still enough people rational want to believe that. The truth is that the EU do not want the chicken from other countries because the farmers which keep the bureaucrat in Brussel to stay in their comfort seats will punish them. It is also a way to keep the EU countries together.

Regarding the animal cruelty in the EU. What about pigtail docking practice across the EU especially  in the former eastern block such as Romania, the Bull fight in Spain, illegal transportaion of animal especially ?? Why do the EU turn a blind eye on this??. This cruelty practice has been in many documentaries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/01/revealed-exported-eu-animals-subject-to-abuse-illegal-conditions

Revealed: exported EU animals subject to abuse and illegal conditions

Well, the history has shown they could easily make a rule / regulation law that looks good but later break it if it suits them, that is the way a mafioso type organisation is operating.

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/politics/papa-dont-preach-germany-is-the-leading-breaker-of-eu-rules/23581000.html?ticket=ST-153212-kb39JzelOvNj0eq46gQ7-ap4

Germany is the leading breaker of EU rules

Another justificaiton that it is the right decision to leave this Mafiosi type organisation.

Good for you highlighting me saying something that's never been denied.

Though when you're looking for links showing EU cruelty, you should avoid the ones admitting that the conditions are already illegal...

A new way of doing something may technically be innovative, but that doesn't mean it's something to be proud of and aspire to. Remember the fake eggs thing in China? That was innovative too, but should we be trying to copy it?

Well that is the centre of argument. It is Illegal but they turn blind eye and do not want to punish / fine them although it has been covered in many documentaries.

Similarly, with allowing the German Trade surplus that break the EU rule for many years

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/politics/papa-dont-preach-germany-is-the-leading-breaker-of-eu-rules/23581000.html?ticket=ST-153212-kb39JzelOvNj0eq46gQ7-ap4

Germany is the leading breaker of EU rules

The history has shown the EU could easily make up a rule / regulation, law that looks good to the world but later breaks or twist it if it suits them. Moreover it has ECJ a mafioso type of court that could rubber stamp, legalize that pratice when needed.  That is the way a mafioso type organisation is operating.

Another good reason why it is the right decision to leave the EU with its politically bias judiciary system, the ECJ.

_mayonnaise_

Malthusian said:

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

Bring it forward I'd say.

As we're getting used to closed borders, empty shelves and mass redundancies now anyway.

buglawton

I think the Coronavirus already means Brexit is kicked 6 months further down the line, if not a year.

Herzlos

_mayonnaise_ said:

Malthusian said:

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

Bring it forward I'd say.

As we're getting used to closed borders, empty shelves and mass redundancies now anyway.

Definitely, doing it now means you can hide all of the damage under Coronavirus instead of Brexit. This is going to shatter industries anyway.

Malthusian

Very true, regardless of how the data pans out. Conversely, what is happening on the Continent kind of spoils the days of wine and roses fantasy. Whatever happened to going anywhere we wanted thanks to our red passports? Remainers have spent the last three years lamenting the loss of a right that never existed.

Thrugelmir

_mayonnaise_ said:

Malthusian said:

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

Bring it forward I'd say.

As we're getting used to closed borders, empty shelves and mass redundancies now anyway.

Seems to be a natural progression to exit. 

Thrugelmir

Herzlos said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Malthusian said:

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

Bring it forward I'd say.

As we're getting used to closed borders, empty shelves and mass redundancies now anyway.

Definitely, doing it now means you can hide all of the damage under Coronavirus instead of Brexit. This is going to shatter industries anyway.

Europes high dependence on tourism for one. 

John_Doe

Herzlos said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Malthusian said:

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

Bring it forward I'd say.

As we're getting used to closed borders, empty shelves and mass redundancies now anyway.

Definitely, doing it now means you can hide all of the damage under Coronavirus instead of Brexit. This is going to shatter industries anyway.

It stands a pretty good chance of shattering the EU if not just the Euro.

Thrugelmir

John_Doe said:

Herzlos said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Malthusian said:

The main opinion article in The Times today called for Brexit to be cancelled as a result of coronavirus (well, suspended indefinitely, but same thing). Is the taboo on discussing this now being lifted?

Bring it forward I'd say.

As we're getting used to closed borders, empty shelves and mass redundancies now anyway.

Definitely, doing it now means you can hide all of the damage under Coronavirus instead of Brexit. This is going to shatter industries anyway.

It stands a pretty good chance of shattering the EU if not just the Euro.

At what cost will the ECB prop up Italy?