Will Brexit happen?

Moe_The_Bartender

_mayonnaise_ said:

Ruprecht said:

Here's how much the EU agree with each other & a record of EU infringement proceedings against member countries for not adhering to EU rules:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/fact-check-germany-is-eus-fifth-worst-offender-with-76-infringement-proceedings/

Sure there are infringments and there are proceedings to deal with them. So?

It would be like saying the Premier League is doomed and about to collapse because the F.A. regularly fines a club or a player.

Laughable barrel scraping.

Well the EU fined Italy €7.5m yesterday for breaching state aid rules with a further €80,000 per day for delayed payment. That was sensitive, wasn’t it?

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos said:

Each state in the EU has the option to disagree with any part of the UK's deal (and we stand a very real risk of being blocked out on WTO because we get veto'd by someone). They haven't yet, why?

If we left on WTO terms, it works both ways. Based on current trade volumes, the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU. They do have an incentive to make a deal.

Thrugelmir

Moe_The_Bartender said:

_mayonnaise_ said:

Ruprecht said:

Here's how much the EU agree with each other & a record of EU infringement proceedings against member countries for not adhering to EU rules:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/fact-check-germany-is-eus-fifth-worst-offender-with-76-infringement-proceedings/

Sure there are infringments and there are proceedings to deal with them. So?

It would be like saying the Premier League is doomed and about to collapse because the F.A. regularly fines a club or a player.

Laughable barrel scraping.

Well the EU fined Italy €7.5m yesterday for breaching state aid rules with a further €80,000 per day for delayed payment. That was sensitive, wasn’t it?

Small sum compared to the spate last year. That's as yet unresolved. Though given the current crisis the rules of course can be bent. 

Moe_The_Bartender

They still don’t get it, do they?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/13/brexit-eu-demands-uk-negotiations-draft-treaty

'Britain will have to guarantee “uniform implementation” of Brussels’s state subsidy rules while the European court of justice will hand down rulings to British courts, under the EU’s vision of the future relationship with the UK.'

They have been clearly told that these are not negotiable and meanwhile Von der Leyen continues to bleat that they don’t know what the UK wants. Haven’t they bothered to read the draft treaty that we gave them recently?

gfplux

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Herzlos said:

Each state in the EU has the option to disagree with any part of the UK's deal (and we stand a very real risk of being blocked out on WTO because we get veto'd by someone). They haven't yet, why?

If we left on WTO terms, it works both ways. Based on current trade volumes, the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU. They do have an incentive to make a deal.

Even if anyone would agree with your numbers the post corona virus trade levels will be a very different picture.
With face to face trade talks suspended both sides will have time to factor in why would they need a trade deal to cover none existent trade!

adindas

gfplux said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Herzlos said:

Each state in the EU has the option to disagree with any part of the UK's deal (and we stand a very real risk of being blocked out on WTO because we get veto'd by someone). They haven't yet, why?

If we left on WTO terms, it works both ways. Based on current trade volumes, the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU. They do have an incentive to make a deal.

Even if anyone would agree with your numbers the post corona virus trade levels will be a very different picture.
With face to face trade talks suspended both sides will have time to factor in why would they need a trade deal to cover none existent trade!

The trade between the EU countries and the UK has happened since a long time ago. Those who said it is a non existence but preaching a lot about Brexit is a complete ignorance, which do not even understand a very basic stuff about the UK and the EU relationship.  The EU trade surplus to the UK is about £69 bil. Tons of info about this statistics...

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender said:

the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU.

That's not how tariffs work. The EU doesn't pay the UK anything. The consumer gets to pay. 

Thrugelmir

Herzlos said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU.

That's not how tariffs work. The EU doesn't pay the UK anything. The consumer gets to pay. 

The importer pays the tax on arrival at the port. Before the goods are released. UK Treasury can then redirect this money back into the UK economy. Lowering VAT rates for example. As will no longer require EU approval to amend same.  Overall selling price remains the same to the consumer. UK Treasury operates positive cash flow. 

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU.

That's not how tariffs work. The EU doesn't pay the UK anything. The consumer gets to pay. 

Every time you post, you reveal how little you understand.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Herzlos said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

the EU would have to pay the UK €6.6bn more in tariffs than the UK would pay the EU.

That's not how tariffs work. The EU doesn't pay the UK anything. The consumer gets to pay. 

Every time you post, you reveal how little you understand.

I'm glad for your insight. Shame you can't actually dispute the points, eh?