Will Brexit happen?

Sailtheworld

Moe_The_Bartender said:

You just don’t get it do you. People did not vote leave for economic benefits.

Stop arguing when people tell you there are no economic benefits to brexit then. 

John_Doe

Sailtheworld said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

You just don’t get it do you. People did not vote leave for economic benefits.

Stop arguing when people tell you there are no economic benefits to brexit then. 

So that the lies can dominate unchallenged? Not going to happen. Stop talking rubbish and there will be no need to challenge it.

adindas

Sailtheworld said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

You just don’t get it do you. People did not vote leave for economic benefits.

Stop arguing when people tell you there are no economic benefits to brexit then. 

The arch Remainers who are asking people to stop arguing instead of keep the nonsense of scaremongering economic argument are the party who need to stop arguing.

Keep in mind what the remain lead campaigners such as David Cameron, George Osborne, also IMF (under Christine Legard), US President Obama had said during the campaign about the immediate impact of Brexit. Did you forget it  ??? Well I did not see any sign of doomsday armageddon.  Did anyone see it ???

We know already that is not true. People have voted to leave even beyond “the worst scenario” that have been said during campaign. You agree or not that is fact

- Yet people voted to leave.

There are a huge movement for a second referendum, well good to see those who provoked them, they are all dead.

- Conservative manifesto “get Brexit done”  a landslide win.

There will not be 1.5k+ postings on this thread if the arch Remainer accept that the UK has left EU and keep focusing on how the UK get the best deal with EU without undermining / weakening the UK negotiation hand by keep arguing the economic nonsense scaremongering that have already become a fact that it is not working.

Nonone ever argues, even the lead brexiters that there will not be an immediate short-term economic impact of Brexit, but so is the economic impact on the EU. Also, Brexit is all about a long-term benefit to be an independent state, free to make ourown law, regulation,  trade, without influence of a bloc which is well known to be one of the most protectionist regime on earth.

OH DEAR STILL NOT GET IT ? NEVER MIND IN THIS WORLD SOME PEOPLE NEVER WANT TO LEARN  …..

_mayonnaise_

In the spirit of niceness and coming together, I'm doing my very best not to question Leave voters' intelligence, but if you guys keep parotting that there's no brexit impact....before we actually brexited, then I might have to review my stance.

adindas

_mayonnaise_ said:

In the spirit of niceness and coming together, I'm doing my very best not to question Leave voters' intelligence, but if you guys keep parotting that there's no brexit impact....before we actually brexited, then I might have to review my stance.

Well indeed, because it will be embarrassing if someone is querying people intelligence without knowing them personally. Making that sort of ill judgment has become self evidence itself.

"Nonone ever argues, even the lead brexiteers that there will not be an immediate short-term economic impact of Brexit, but so is the economic impact on the EU. Also, Brexit is all about a long-term benefit to be an independent state, free to make our own law, regulation,  trade, without influence of a bloc which is well known to be one of the most protectionist regime on earth."

Also anyone rational will know that doomsday, economic Armageddon does not happen in a day. We have now left the EU and already in the transition phase. There is already certainty that The UK has left and the transition period will end  by 1 January 2021 with or without a deal. Does anyone see any sign of Brexit Armageddon, Doomsday Economy ?? Well it might be if they are looking into  the Arch remainers Crystal Ball which has been pre-programmed for a naive to believe. 
Hard brexit is now even on the table, no world leading economists will ever repeat the same mistake by predicting the economic disasters in the scale of the doomsday, economic Armageddon like some people had said during the referendum campaign as a scaremongering techniques, not even if in the event of the hard Brexit.

Those arch remainers in this thread who keep saying no deal Brexit (they called it hard Brexit as a diversion) is off the table after the recent result of the general election, should be ashamed by now. You know who you are on this thread. You might want to apologise openly in this forum for getting it wrong again. 

Sailtheworld

John_Doe said:

Sailtheworld said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

You just don’t get it do you. People did not vote leave for economic benefits.

Stop arguing when people tell you there are no economic benefits to brexit then. 

So that the lies can dominate unchallenged? Not going to happen. Stop talking rubbish and there will be no need to challenge it.

The 'lies' aren't being challenged. Boris Johnson spouted the same rubbish that's being parroted by you lot. The sunlit uplands, bravely making out own way in the world, once we're free of the shackles any reduction in trade with the EU will easily be made up elsewhere.

Well the government's own figures (not mine) suggest that we need 20 of the stupendous UK / USA trade deal to make up for the least worst trade deal that will likely be achieved with the EU. For the hard of understanding US GDP is 15% of global GDP i.e. we need to find a number of other Earth like planets to do deals with. I'm sure if we're optimistic and patriotic enough it might happen.

Herzlos

They were told that there would be economic benefits though, no? That'd form a part of the decision making process.

Or are you saying it was pure xenophobia?

Sailtheworld

adindas said:

Sailtheworld said:

Moe_The_Bartender said:

You just don’t get it do you. People did not vote leave for economic benefits.

Stop arguing when people tell you there are no economic benefits to brexit then. 

Keep in mind what the remain lead campaigners such as David Cameron, George Osborne, also IMF (under Christine Legard), US President Obama had said during the campaign about the immediate impact of Brexit. Did you forget it  ??? Well I did not see any sign of doomsday armageddon.  Did anyone see it ??? 

There wasn't a doomsday Armageddon and night continued to follow day therefore we can reliably ignore the preponderance of economic forecasts demonstrating the likelihood that the effect of brexit on the economy is negative. That's your 'debating' position right there. 

Malthusian

"Forecasts can be proven wrong by observed outcomes" sounds like a pretty solid debating position to me.

Everything is priced in, always.

_mayonnaise_

Brexiteers 2016-2017 : 'Sunlit uplands, Brexit boost, Britain on course be an economic superpower once free of the shackles of the EU'

Brexiteers 2018-2019 : 'There might be short term disruption, but it will all be worth it in the long run.'

Brexiteers 2020-         : 'Okay, it will be a negative to the economy, but that's not the point, don't you understand??'