Will Brexit happen?

adindas

Good to here that the EU crack has started. to happen This should have happened since three years ago. It was only that the negotiation was led by Theresa May the worst the negotiator. No wonder she has been voted as the worst Prime Minister in the Modern British History. 
Where are you "Herzlos " and other arch remainers on this MSE forum  thread always said "No-deal" brexit is a bluff. Do you want to apologize now ???  Please send your apology  100 times not once if you wanted people to forgive you..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1248549/brexit-news-eu-trade-talks-latest-boris-johnson-eu-news
Brexit LIVE: EU diplomat breaks cover over Boris no deal ultimatum with panicked admission
We will not pay for Brexit!’ France sends EU warning as Brussels panics over budget
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1248414/brexit-news-eu-budget-france-farmers-emmanuel-macron-common-agricultural-policy

Well done Boris. You have got the mandate from people from the recent general election results. It is good to stand UPI against a mafiosi type organisation. Which organisation punish their members for leaving. Offhand I could only think a few  exist in this world. Mafioso type organisations, Secret sect organisation for their member undermining order, ISIS/DAESH.

Herzlos

Nah I'll wait until the negotiations start to see who actually cracks.

I'm also not convinced we're being punished, itsjust that since we're not in the EU anymore it has no obligation to care about us. This is, I believe, exactly what we voted for.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C said:

The eu seem to have forgotten that the UK has left the club.  If you are no longer a member of a club then you should no longer have to follow it's rules.  It seems to me that the eu want to make us stick to their rules whilst allowing them to continue to fish the waters dry and letting them tell us what to do through the ECJ.

We should remind them that they will lose the lot if there is no trade deal, and that includes the services of our security services which are heavily depended upon by the eu and which are among the best in the world.

Everyone else follows the EU rules to trade with them to whatever level of trade freedom they have, why should we be special?
If we want to be in the single market, we follow single market rules. If we don't want to follow those rules then we need to step back a level until we get to a point we're happy. That's going to involve customs checks.

Enterprise_1701C

But they don't have to let someone else control their fisheries, they don't have to agree not to compete with the eu, and why should we follow their rules on state aid FGS, they don't even follow them themselves!  Our "workers rights" are better than a eu ones.  And having the eu police what we do is rather like someone in Switzerland telling someone in the US that they should not do X.  And the idea of Gibraltar not being included in the main talks is just petty, the people of Gibraltar voted to remain British.  We do not see Spain handing back any of their overseas territories.

Arklight

Johnson's Brexit deal was meant to be, "Oven ready." But now, no deal is back on the table? Not sure that's what people voted for. But then, the Tories don't care what the people who voted for him expect him to do. He never had the slightest intention of fulfilling any of these promises.

There won't be a no deal scenario. There will be the EU's deal as given to Johnson, which is worse than May's deal  (Johnson voted against that remember),  which Johnson managed to convince a gullible electorate was some kind of win for Britain.

Johnson will then declare this the biggest triumph ever and that anyone who disagrees is boring and a big girls blouse (how bored he already seems with being in charge of all these insufferable little voters with their limited fixed incomes and their mortgages). He will then spend the next five years in bunker mode. 

Just like all the other Tory governments you people keep voting for.

Arklight

Herzlos said:

Enterprise_1701C said:

The eu seem to have forgotten that the UK has left the club.  If you are no longer a member of a club then you should no longer have to follow it's rules.  It seems to me that the eu want to make us stick to their rules whilst allowing them to continue to fish the waters dry and letting them tell us what to do through the ECJ.

We should remind them that they will lose the lot if there is no trade deal, and that includes the services of our security services which are heavily depended upon by the eu and which are among the best in the world.

Everyone else follows the EU rules to trade with them to whatever level of trade freedom they have, why should we be special?
If we want to be in the single market, we follow single market rules. If we don't want to follow those rules then we need to step back a level until we get to a point we're happy. That's going to involve customs checks.

It's amazing watching the penny slowly drop with Brexiteers, isn't it?

"But, but... they're treating us like we're - just another foreign country!!" 

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos said:

Nah I'll wait until the negotiations start to see who actually cracks.

I'm also not convinced we're being punished, itsjust that since we're not in the EU anymore it has no obligation to care about us. This is, I believe, exactly what we voted for.

We’ll only get punished if we allow it to happen. All the UK is doing is to approach the negotiations in exactly the same way as any other independent sovereign state. If that leads to an agreement, that’s fine. If it doesn’t, that’s fine too.

Moe_The_Bartender

Arklight said:

Herzlos said:

Enterprise_1701C said:

The eu seem to have forgotten that the UK has left the club.  If you are no longer a member of a club then you should no longer have to follow it's rules.  It seems to me that the eu want to make us stick to their rules whilst allowing them to continue to fish the waters dry and letting them tell us what to do through the ECJ.

We should remind them that they will lose the lot if there is no trade deal, and that includes the services of our security services which are heavily depended upon by the eu and which are among the best in the world.

Everyone else follows the EU rules to trade with them to whatever level of trade freedom they have, why should we be special?
If we want to be in the single market, we follow single market rules. If we don't want to follow those rules then we need to step back a level until we get to a point we're happy. That's going to involve customs checks.

It's amazing watching the penny slowly drop with Brexiteers, isn't it?

"But, but... they're treating us like we're - just another foreign country!!" 

Which is exactly what we always wanted. Looks like the penny has finally dropped with you.

Arklight

Moe_The_Bartender said:

Herzlos said:

Nah I'll wait until the negotiations start to see who actually cracks.

I'm also not convinced we're being punished, itsjust that since we're not in the EU anymore it has no obligation to care about us. This is, I believe, exactly what we voted for.

We’ll only get punished if we allow it to happen. All the UK is doing is to approach the negotiations in exactly the same way as any other independent sovereign state. If that leads to an agreement, that’s fine. If it doesn’t, that’s fine too.

If you approach someone asking for a deal, then that is because you want a deal. Having a deal is to your advantage. Not having a deal is to your detriment.

The UK is asking the EU for a deal. Not the other way around. 

Think about what that means. 

Moe_The_Bartender

Enterprise_1701C said:

But they don't have to let someone else control their fisheries, they don't have to agree not to compete with the eu, and why should we follow their rules on state aid FGS, they don't even follow them themselves!  Our "workers rights" are better than a eu ones.  And having the eu police what we do is rather like someone in Switzerland telling someone in the US that they should not do X.  And the idea of Gibraltar not being included in the main talks is just petty, the people of Gibraltar voted to remain British.  We do not see Spain handing back any of their overseas territories.

Don’t forget they also chucked in a clause about repatriation of illegally obtained artefacts. That’ll teach the French when they have to hand back the Venus de Milo.

Then for good measure they chuck in an irrelevance about geographical proximity. Looks like they’re not really interested in a deal. I wonder what the Germans think of that.