If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

Autumn86

Guerillatoker wrote: »

If it was going to happen it already would of. You just perceive there to be a greater proportion of Eastern Europeans than there is because of your prejudices.

It has happened for the past 15years..

Yes if you live in rural middle England, or some little down outside of London you probably barely experience immigrants,
But here in London we are flooded by an epidemic of immigration.

Hence why people demanded Brexit

David_Evans

Autumn86 wrote: »

Because why on earth would anyone from England want to go and live in Poland?!? :rotfl::rotfl:

Its cheap yes, but wages match that accordingly, plus totally different society culturally.


Poland has no issue with being flooded with English immigrants,
but England does have a major problem with being flooded and overwhelmed with Polish immigrants.

(If it wasn't for all this immigration here from Eastern Europe we would of had no demand for Brexit). :beer:

Check the date I put on that post - in bold.
2029.

The A8 accession (when UK declined to opt out of FoM) was in 2004. It's now 2019.
That horse has bolted, but better close the stable door securely..!

Japan has been very good at limiting immigration, despite their demographics.
''Lost decade'' coming up...?

David_Evans

Autumn86 wrote: »

It has happened for the past 15years..

Yes if you live in rural middle England, or some little down outside of London you probably barely experience immigrants,
But here in London we are flooded by an epidemic of immigration.

Hence why people demanded Brexit

In many parts of the UK, house prices are so low that renovation is not viable (unless by Social Landlords or Local Authority).
These places need inward migration.

Guerillatoker

Autumn86 wrote: »

It has happened for the past 15years..

Yes if you live in rural middle England, or some little down outside of London you probably barely experience immigrants,
But here in London we are flooded by an epidemic of immigration.

Hence why people demanded Brexit

London is well known to have voted against Brexit in the referendum: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612916

I've lived in the Yorkshire & East Midlands, I've worked all over, a lot in Lancashire. I see plenty immigration and plenty areas that voted leave. I do not agree that it is a great issue, especially not an epidemic. Personally I think it enriches our culture and makes for interesting learning opportunities. Known plenty of immigrants, never had a problem with them and had valuable relationships with some. Met some unscrupulous ones and experienced some violent situations but nothing out of proportion to home-grown citizens.

Not going to comment on the economic impact of immigrants (people believe what they want to believe comes to mind) but I will note that Brexit, by most accounts, is going to come at an economic price - so bit daft to use it to kick immigrants out for economic reasons!

AlanP_2

Autumn86 wrote: »

It has happened for the past 15years..

Yes if you live in rural middle England, or some little down outside of London you probably barely experience immigrants,
But here in London we are flooded by an epidemic of immigration.

Hence why people demanded Brexit

But London voted Remain so only a minority of people in London demanded Brexit because of immigration concerns.

Want to try again with something related to the real world?

Thrugelmir

David_Evans wrote: »

Japan has been very good at limiting immigration, despite their demographics.
''Lost decade'' coming up...?

Perhaps it's the cost of getting there. Or the fact that it isn't a ferry ride away from the mainland. Odd choice of comparision. Given the language will be a huge barrier.

David_Evans

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps it's the cost of getting there. Or the fact that it isn't a ferry ride away from the mainland. Odd choice of comparision. Given the language will be a huge barrier.

I was referring to the fact that many people have described Japan as not welcoming immigration.
This has led to a demographic problem worse than the UK.
Together with the Japanese corporate culture, this has been blamed for decades of poor growth despite QE from BoJ.

I think it is a relevant warning to Britain..!

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It's sad how much xenophobia there is these days in the UK.

David_Evans

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It's sad how much xenophobia there is these days in the UK.

I think it's a complicated issue, made worse by the govt.

I come from a town that is quite deprived and strongly ''Vote Leave''.
But if you put a Tory poster in your window - your window would get smashed (seen it happen to a Polish immigrant who felt Thatcher supported Solidarity against the Polish Communist Party etc).

Anyway, when I was growing up in the 1990s, people would say openly racist words against black and Asian people. Now that is less so. I'd say there is less actual genuine racism in the UK today.

But there is MORE economic dislocation, especially among working class men.

I think the whole of the UK is becoming quite digital and detached and impersonal. Employment agencies, no real continuity. Very efficient etc. But if you don't tick the right boxes, easy for people to be rejected.

I've survived by being reasonably educated and with technical skills. But I see some of those I went to school with just not being able to keep up. A lot of the men I was in school with now have (quite minor) criminal records, so they're just not employable to the more ''faceless'' employers.

That's when I start to hear them blaming immigrants for ''taking the jobs''.

movilogo

Japan has been very good at limiting immigration

Try learning Japanese and you know why.

UK has problem with immigration because our language, English, is spoken well by half of world's population.

In all other EU countries language acts as a natural barrier to immigrants.

Ireland also speaks English but as UK's economy is far larger than Ireland's, immigrants tend to choose UK over everything else.