If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

andrewf75

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps it's the cost of getting there. Or the fact that it isn't a ferry ride away from the mainland. Odd choice of comparision. Given the language will be a huge barrier.

Is there another example of a successful country that has low immigration?

David_Evans

movilogo wrote: »

Try learning Japanese and you know why.
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There's more to it than that.
I know several people who have worked in Japan and the society can be quite ''closed'' to foreigners.

David_Evans

movilogo wrote: »

Try learning Japanese and you know why.

UK has problem with immigration because our language, English, is spoken well by half of world's population.

In all other EU countries language acts as a natural barrier to immigrants.

Ireland also speaks English but as UK's economy is far larger than Ireland's, immigrants tend to choose UK over everything else.

That's been true over the last few years.
But there's the issue of the immediate post A8 accession - which led to the CEE immigration surge to the UK, as Germany etc put a limit in inward migration.

As that limit is now removed, I would expect more migration into Germany etc as logistically it is much more accessible to other CEE countries.

The UK (and Ireland) have a geographical problem with the English channel.

I predict a shift of manufacturing towards CEE in the next 10 years. Brexit will speed this up, but it would have happened anyway.

The UK is really reliant on financial services (and some North Sea oil).

BRB_in_2019

DELETED USER wrote:

It's sad how much xenophobia there is these days in the UK.

Not here, I like Zen and think that the doctrine of the two truths applies admirably to Brexit.


Xenophobia is common in these threads from what I can see. (Need I remind you that xenophobia = "fear of the unfamiliar" according to some definitions, Websters for example) so there's plenty of that exhibit by those in forums like this who so desperately want to stay in the EU.

David_Evans

BRB_in_2019 wrote: »

Not here, I like Zen and think that the doctrine of the two truths applies admirably to Brexit.


Xenophobia is common in these threads from what I can see. (Need I remind you that xenophobia = "fear of the unfamiliar" according to some definitions, Websters for example) so there's plenty of that exhibit by those in forums like this who so desperately want to stay in the EU.

From my experience, the British people who dislike immigration from Eastern Europe won't be too thrilled by increased immigration from Africa and Asia etc.

melanzana

OP asks if there is no hard border what is to stop etc......

It is an open border now and has been for many years. Nothing at the moment to stop those on a visitor visa to Ireland from taking the train to Belfast and hopping across to Cairnryan/Stanraer and onwards is there?

I do realise that FOM allows this for EU citizens, but my point still stands WRT non EU arrivals who want to get to UK.

The issue has nothing to do with the ROI/NI/UK border, it has however got everything to do with UK Border Force/Patrol/Home Office or whatever they are called now. And it was ever thus.

David_Evans

melanzana wrote: »

OP asks if there is no hard border what is to stop etc......

It is an open border now and has been for many years. Nothing at the moment to stop those on a visitor visa to Ireland from taking the train to Belfast and hopping across to Cairnryan/Stanraer and onwards is there?

I do realise that FOM allows this for EU citizens, but my point still stands WRT non EU arrivals who want to get to UK.

The issue has nothing to do with the ROI/NI/UK border, it has however got everything to do with UK Border Force/Patrol/Home Office or whatever they are called now. And it was ever thus.

The Republic of Ireland has very similar entry visa requirements as the UK.
There may be a few differences (eg South Africans etc?) but generally it's not an issue.

David_Evans

Why would a worker from the EU want to enter the UK (vi Ireland) and work illegally anyway?

They can just work in Ireland or any other EU country without any problems.

The demand for labour is going to shift out of the UK anyway. Sterling has fallen (and will probably fall further) so workers will prefer to be paid in Euros.

melanzana

David_Evans wrote: »

The Republic of Ireland has very similar entry visa requirements as the UK.
There may be a few differences (eg South Africans etc?) but generally it's not an issue.

Yes, I know this, but the issue is overstaying the visa (non EU) under the radar when they get to UK, as they can easily do as it is.

I may be missing something, but I am sure someone will put me right.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

Is there another example of a successful country that has low immigration?

Canada...

Australia..