Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

MobileSaver

Herzlos wrote: »

There's going to be a huge boom in debt collection, for instance.

It also seems that vets are doing well out of the Brexit uncertainty; although I'm not so sure that the entire 50% of pet owners who voted to Leave will be quite so happy with their decision now...

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Likewise whatever the outcome people will simply get on with the job in hand. The UK didn't crash after the GFC. Which was far more of a cliff edge situation.

The GFC had wide ranging effects on the UK, arguably it was one of the prime motivations for voting to leave the EU.

The GFC only affected credit, while brexit affects everything. One wonders what the will of the people will be when leaving the EU not only doesn't solve the GFC but deepens the problems.

Herzlos

Erasmus students hoping to study in Spain are likely to be pretty disappointed:

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/02/23/spanish-universities-cancel-erasmus-grants-before-hard-brexit-possibility/#.XHPRjMmnzqA

But again, we all knew this was a possibility.

Aye Brexiteers saying that it doesn't matter because there's not that many of them, or they can study somewhere else.

Takedap

phillw wrote: »

If Reese Mogg had spoken like this before the referendum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My4UM_zCpk0 then I don't see people would have voted for it.

I think the most telling part of this is that he seems to think that whether or not he should resign shouldn't be reduced to "proposing a very simple question on a very complex set of circumstances"


Yet presumably he also thinks that the most important political decision in recent history can be answered by a simple Yes or No referendum based on the knowledge of the average UK voter.

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

Aye Brexiteers saying that it doesn't matter because there's not that many of them, or they can study somewhere else.

Or that they are traitors for going abroad to study

movilogo

Brexiters seems to have forgotten that it was a certain Jacob Rees Mogg who said that we could have two referendums,

And remainers have forgotten that Cameron and Osborne both said Leave means out of Single Market.

People just choose quotes when it fit them

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

And remainers have forgotten that Cameron and Osborne both said Leave means out of Single Market.

People just choose quotes when it fit them

People do choose whatever suits their view, but nothing is as bonkers as taking a warning from remain as the definition of Brexit!

Remainers can quite easily point to the actual reality of countries not in the EU but inside the customs union or single market, rather than what someone said.....

movilogo

The fundanmental cause behind Brexit saga is that MPs don't want to serve the plebs and they want to impose their own version of Brexit/Bremain.

The "sky will fall over us" situation is not proven. I meant not proven by theory of science or maths.

These are claims by some people who think they can predict future better than other people.

By nature people associate "unknown" with "bad" where as unknowns can be "opportunities" as well.

The unknown = bad culture comes from "if bad happens, I'm not to be blamed" thought process.

Historically, status quo seldom introduced good things. All inventions were down to someone (often considered numpties by contemporary societies) tried to do something new.

Just keep this in mind when you oppose Brexit (or anything that challenges status quo).

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

The fundanmental cause behind Brexit saga is that MPs don't want to serve the plebs and they want to impose their own version of Brexit/Bremain.

The "sky will fall over us" situation is not proven. I meant not proven by theory of science or maths.

These are claims by some people who think they can predict future better than other people.

By nature people associate "unknown" with "bad" where as unknowns can be "opportunities" as well.

The unknown = bad culture comes from "if bad happens, I'm not to be blamed" thought process.

Historically, status quo seldom introduced good things. All inventions were down to someone (often considered numpties by contemporary societies) tried to do something new.

Just keep this in mind when you oppose Brexit (or anything that challenges status quo).

I hope you are proved right, but the trouble with Brexit is the lack of any co-ordinated vision and the vast majority of support for it is backward rather than forward looking

I do agree there will be opportunities though and people should focus on those rather than keep fighting against it.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

I hope you are proved right, but the trouble with Brexit is the lack of any co-ordinated vision

How does that differ to post war economic policy. Governments can only influence direction. Not control it. Major corporations carry serious lobbying weight with politicians. Up to individual people to respond accordingly. If people care more about the price of something than protecting UK industry. Then little will change.