Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

buglawton

MobileSaver wrote: »

...Prosperity, having a job and democracy don't matter to people born here?!?!

Actually for many Brexiteers I think that's accurate; they don't care about being worse off so long as they can get rid of those pesky Johnny Foreigners...

Thank you for your helpful and constructive caricatures.

movilogo

While both TM & JC are bending backward to placate the Remainers, I wonder who will try to please the Leavers now.

Delaying Brexit for few months does not make sense. If UK could not make progress in 3 years, few months won't make any difference.

Unless that plan is to delay it indefinitely so that it can be reversed by holding a 2nd referendum.

MobileSaver

buglawton wrote: »

Thank you for your helpful and constructive caricatures.

You're welcome! :rotfl:

However I cannot take the credit as it was actually Thrugelmir who suggested Leavers don't care too much about prosperity, having a job or democracy...

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

While both TM & JC are bending backward to placate the Remainers.

TM placating remainers?! The reason we're in this mess is her utter determination to placate the ERG.

SouthLondonUser

@ENTERPRISE 1701C,

On migrants: surely you are aware we happen to be an island, which is not in Schengen? This means that getting on these shores illegally is certainly possible but much harder than getting to Greece Italy or Spain? And that not being in Schengen means there are border checks? An illegal immigrant can get on a bus from Italy to France and hope he won’t get caught; he can’t get on a bus from France to the UK and hope there won’t be any checks.

Do you have any proof that there has been an influx of illegal immigrants? To be clear, your observing a few things down the road, without any context as to whether or how these observations are in any way representative, is not in any way ‘proof’ of much.

On translation services for immigrants: do you know if it is an EU requirement or a British decision to provide these services? Do you know how much is spent on EU immigrants vs non-EU immigrants? Is it even possible to calculate the cost of this vs the benefit of having a qualified workforce (think of all the EU university lecturers, medical doctors, etc) who comes here, is more active at work than the locals, and that the country didn’t have to spend a penny to train (all these people studied abroad, typically funded by their countries)?

On cars: there is already a requirement to register a foreign car with the DVLS after a certain period of time. If checks are not thorough enough, that’s the UK’s fault, not the EU’s. Nothing in EU law prevents us from doing more checks on the road, or from imposing harsher penalties when catching these people. What are you proposing, exactly? A total ban on foreign cars? I hope not. Forcing foreign cars to register here, after a while, to distinguish between legitimate tourists and scams? Such a law is already in place. So what are you proposing, exactly? Also, can you quantify the phenomenon and its cost, beyond some anecdotal, and totally irrelevant, evidence of you having seen some foreign plates out and about?

So, to recap, you are opposed to the EU because Germany admitted refugees, the NHS spends money on translation services, and because you see a few Polish registered cars down the road. Congratulations, a set of very well-researched arguments! I was particularly impressed at the level of detail with which you quantified the impact and cost of these points, weighing them against the pros of being in the EU.

PS still interested in your opinion on why London, with large immigration, voted to Remain, yet Cornwall, with extremely low immigration and despite lots of EU aid, voted ro Leave.

SouthLondonUser

Let's also remember that the UK favoured the expansion of the EU to the East, especially as a way to dilute the power of France and Germany within the Union.
And that it was the UK's decision not to impose tougher temporary restrictions on migrants coming from these countries.

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

Actually for many Brexiteers I think that's accurate; they don't care about being worse off so long as they can get rid of those pesky Johnny Foreigners...

Anti-foreigner attitudes are apparently no worse in the UK than on the mainland.Which considering there are upwards of 3.5M EU citizens currently living and working in the UK is surprising. I wonder if any other similar size nation has taken so many foreign workers in and remained so laudably sanguine about the whole thing.
A remarkably tolerant country is the UK.

mayonnaise

Brexit DELAYED for 2 years.

It's in the Express, so it must be true.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1091979/bbc-news-brexit-news-theresa-may-brexit-delay-tobias-ellwood-video-article-50-extension

kabayiri

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

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PS still interested in your opinion on why London, with large immigration, voted to Remain, yet Cornwall, with extremely low immigration and despite lots of EU aid, voted ro Leave.

I think this is a valid comparison.

My view, in essence.

You can not do mass migration on the cheap. You can not do mass migration without a proactive plan.

London has twenty times the spend on infrastructure compared to some parts of the country (pro-rata). It obviously helps.

Unfortunately for Team Remain, not everyone in the country lives in London.

I simply do not believe there are the resources to sustain the mass migration we have been seeing. It won't have escaped anyone's notice that some LA budgets have been slashed by 1/3 and more. People can see the impact more and more.

Therefore, I vote to kill off FOM. This is by no means the end game. It is merely the first step of the battle.

kabayiri

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Let's also remember that the UK favoured the expansion of the EU to the East, especially as a way to dilute the power of France and Germany within the Union.
And that it was the UK's decision not to impose tougher temporary restrictions on migrants coming from these countries.

Yep, and we voted the idiots Blair & Brown out.

They later admitted that their migration policy was politically motivated, not economically. They like cheap voting fodder.