Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

cogito

andrewf75 wrote: »

There wasn't any I agree, we lack one as a country but not because of our EU membership because of our free market approach. Plenty of EU countries have a co-ordinated vision for infrastructure, housing etc. Yes I get the theory that Brexit is an opportunity to do things differently, but listen to the Tories with their "global Britain" agenda. They have no intention of doing things differently, just doing more of the same with less regulation. The EU was in some ways holding us back from being even more subservient to big business.

All of the issues leading to Brexit are basically domestic ones and there is now less chance of solving them with a divided nation.

If you think that the EU is not subservient to big business, you are deluded.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

If you think that the EU is not subservient to big business, you are deluded.

Big business increasingly know who to interact with.

Despite the Facebook data scandal taking place here, Mr Zuckerberg chose to only answer questions in Brussels.

Clearly, he doesn't place any faith or weight in the UK parliament.

It's a slow process...this neutering of a national parliament.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit DELAYED for 2 years.

It's in the Express, so it must be true.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1091979/bbc-news-brexit-news-theresa-may-brexit-delay-tobias-ellwood-video-article-50-extension

There are moves afoot from the EU to delay Brexit to the end of 2020 as a tactic to scare pro-Brexit MPs into backing May's deal. Of course, it would then be extended again and again ad infinitum. Hotel California.

Of course, there would have to be a unanimous vote of the EU27 to extend A50 at all and that's far from certain. MPs pushing for an extension seem to be unaware of that.

StevieJ

kabayiri wrote: »

Therefore, I vote to kill off FOM. This is by no means the end game. It is merely the first step of the battle.

But not mass immigration of 'cheap labour' from Asia/Africa?

StevieJ

kabayiri wrote: »

Yep, and we voted the idiots Blair & Brown out.

They later admitted that their migration policy was politically motivated, not economically. They like cheap voting fodder.

Do you have a link for that?

StevieJ

Tromking wrote: »

Anti-foreigner attitudes are apparently no worse in the UK than on the mainland.Which considering there are upwards of 3.5M EU citizens currently living and working in the UK is surprising. I wonder if any other similar size nation has taken so many foreign workers in and remained so laudably sanguine about the whole thing.
A remarkably tolerant country is the UK.

Wait until they change colour, let us see what they think then? after all cheap immigrant labour will still be required.

andrewf75

cogito wrote: »

If you think that the EU is not subservient to big business, you are deluded.

It is, but less so than the UK is!

If it was say France leaving, it would make sense as they would be less subservient to big business on their own.

SouthLondonUser

kabayiri wrote: »

I think this is a valid comparison.

My view, in essence.

You can not do mass migration on the cheap. You can not do mass migration without a proactive plan.

London has twenty times the spend on infrastructure compared to some parts of the country (pro-rata). It obviously helps.

Unfortunately for Team Remain, not everyone in the country lives in London.

I simply do not believe there are the resources to sustain the mass migration we have been seeing. It won't have escaped anyone's notice that some LA budgets have been slashed by 1/3 and more. People can see the impact more and more.

Therefore, I vote to kill off FOM. This is by no means the end game. It is merely the first step of the battle.

I'm not following. It still doesn't explain why London voted Remain and Cornwall voted Leave, despite very different immigration in the two.

If you're saying that austerity was too harsh, and that areas outside of London were neglected too much, I tend to agree, but what does the EU have to do with that? The EU didn't impose austerity on the UK, didn't push us to 'balance the books', to cut services etc. The EU doesn't dictate how much Westminster spends in London vs elsewhere. If anything, the EU financed lots of projects in Cornwall!

So, again, not too sure what impact ending freedom of movement would have and why??

movilogo

Do you have any proof that there has been an influx of illegal immigrants?

Illegal = undocumented / unaccounted for = hence no formal stats. That's the main point here - did you not get it?

So, to recap, you are opposed to the EU because Germany admitted refugees, the NHS spends money on translation services, and because you see a few Polish registered cars down the road. Congratulations, a set of very well-researched arguments!

All those above are valid arguments for leaving.

Everyone has opinion for staying/leaving EU. Just because you find something illogical does not mean others will believe so.

Human beings are emotional. It is neither good nor bad thing. It is just how it is.

People don't vote with logic - people vote with emotion and then use logic to justify that emotion.

A major reason for rift between Leavers and Remainers is that most leavers voted with emotion and remainers try to analyze with economics alone.

This is why either side does not get along with each other.

The reasons behind Brexit should be addressed and not ignored.

I am sure lots of leavers would not mind staying in EU but without freedom of movement (my opinion so feel free to disagree). But no one is trying to get such deal. It is EU's all-or-nothing attitude which caused battle of egos on both sides.

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

Therefore, I vote to kill off FOM. This is by no means the end game. It is merely the first step of the battle.

Just a gentle reminder that 75% of net migration in 2018 was from non-FOM countries.

kabayiri wrote: »

They later admitted that their migration policy was politically motivated, not economically. They like cheap voting fodder.

Unlikely, as EU migrants have no say in parliamentary elections until they are eligible for and choose the naturalization path. Which very few of them do.