Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Moby

May has now effectively ruled out No Deal......so it looks like a version of May's deal will command a majority. In effect we'll be close to the EU, paying for access and having no voting rights.......is anyone happy now? Is this your dream future brexiteers?

Takedap

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit DELAYED for 2 years.

It's in the Express, so it must be true.

As a committed Remainer, I have now come to the conclusion that the only possible way forwards is to allow the country to leave with No Deal. The country is too divided to do otherwise.



Anything else will not satisfy the public who have been whipped into a frenzy by the Ultra wing of the Leave campaign.


Any type of softer Brexit would bring cries of Treason & more calling Parliament to be the "Enemies of the People". The political fallout from this would be even worse that any possible economic downturn.



If things get better, the Leavers were right all along. If not, they have no excuses or anyone to blame except themselves.


It would stop the claims that have been better if we'd done it their way.


It would actually allow us to draw a line under the arguments by having a genuine conclusion rather than the endless speculation we are currently heading for.

mayonnaise

Takedap wrote: »

If things get better, the Leavers were right all along. If not, they have no excuses or anyone to blame except themselves.

Don't count on it. You may have noticed the blame game already has begun.
When the economy tanks it will be the EU's fault for not having given us a good deal, it will be Remoaners fault for not fully getting behind Glorious Brexit and it will be the global liberal elite and George Soros' fault for funding the whole thing.

Everybody will be to blame, except those who actually voted us into this mess.

Takedap

mayonnaise wrote: »

Don't count on it. You may have noticed the blame game already has begun.
When the economy tanks it will be the EU's fault for not having given us a good deal, it will be Remoaners fault for not fully getting behind Glorious Brexit and it will be the global liberal elite and George Soros' fault for funding the whole thing.

Everybody will be to blame, except those who actually voted us into this mess.

But a soft Brexit would encourage more to believe it.


The problem is like a child going too near the stove. No matter how much you tell them they are going to get hurt, some will always want to touch it anyway.

SouthLondonUser

Tromking wrote: »

Get over yourself, you're doing nothing of the sort.
You're just engaged in the rather hackeneyed process of dripping about a referendum result you don't agree with.
Most of the other Remoaners on this thread stopped boring us with that tactic over 12 months ago.

Right.
So pointing out that EU countries are not "one-party states" because they don't have shadow cabinets, or that it's not true that we have any say in who gets to be a UK minister, or that there are already laws in place to force foreign vehicles to be registered here after a while, all of this is not "exposing logical fallacies". No, of course it isn't.

SouthLondonUser

Takedap wrote: »

The problem is like a child going too near the stove. No matter how much you tell them they are going to get hurt, some will always want to touch it anyway.

I'm all for Darwianian selection.

The problem is when, to stick to your comparison, the child doesn't just bring his hand too close to the stove, but tries to bring all his siblings, including those who don't want to...

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

May has now effectively ruled out No Deal......so it looks like a version of May's deal will command a majority. In effect we'll be close to the EU, paying for access and having no voting rights.......is anyone happy now? Is this your dream future brexiteers?

No of course not.
Sooner or later the politcal shenanigans that brought us to this point will be judged directly by the electorate and its going to be interesting to say the least to see the ramifications for individual MP's and the traditional parties.
The formation of a new centrist and unabashedly pro-EU party could be a stroke of genius in the aftermath of this shambles it has to be said, politically its no doubt where a lot of remain voters are.
As for us potentially politically jilted Leave voters, the picture is less clear. Could I and others vote for a Labour or Tory party that is still ambiguous on EU membership. No.
Could I personally vote for a UKip type entity, certainly not.
I'm not sure 17M hacked off Leave voters, is going to be a good thing for our democracy going forward.

movilogo

I'm not sure 17M hacked off Leave voters, is going to be a good thing for our democracy going forward.

As majority of MPs are remainers, they think these leave voters will forget everything and world will move along 2 party politics as usual.

However, the new 2 parties unlikely to be Labour and Conservative. It would be Leave and Remain parties.


Let's see if Farage brigade and ERG merge into one entity.

Takedap

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I'm all for Darwianian selection.

The problem is when, to stick to your comparison, the child doesn't just bring his hand too close to the stove, but tries to bring all his siblings, including those who don't want to...

Unfortunately unless you want to see Tommy Robinson & his ilk in the HoC, the "will of the people" has to be allowed.


If it's going to fail, it must be seen to fail.


I can seriously see bloodshed if we're not careful.

MobileSaver

MobileSaver wrote: »

Actually for many Brexiteers I *think* that's accurate; they don't care about being worse off so long as they can get rid of those pesky Johnny Foreigners...

adindas wrote: »

Personal Opinion or based on fact ??

The clue is in the highlighted word.

My opinion is based on a couple of conversations with Leave supporters. Granted they were rather brief conversations; there's not really much more you can say when someone admits quite happily that being worse off is worth it if it means getting rid of "too many foreigners."