Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

But this is a man made rule. Why the Single Market includes 4 freedoms and not 3 or 5 freedoms? Why this can't be negotiated or why does EU not want to negotiate on this?

Is it because big businesses wants rely on cheap labour supply?

Of course its man made, but you can’t operate such a system without rules. Whether you want to be part of it or not, you surely have to accept that this is not something that can be flexible.

The one flexibility was a delay on allowing the new member states FOM and we chose not to!

SouthLondonUser

I know. But exposing the logical fallacies of the Brexiteers is interesting and sad at the same time...

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

But not mass immigration of 'cheap labour' from Asia/Africa?

There can be times when you need short term additional resource.

We export work to cheap labour places, so I see no difference really.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

Just a gentle reminder that 75% of net migration in 2018 was from non-FOM countries.
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Hence my point about "first step" in the battle...just a gentle reminder back

enthusiasticsaver

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I ask again: can someone please, then, explain to me why London (large immigration) voted to remain while Cornwall (minimal immigration and lots of EU aid) voted to Leave?

Immigration alone doesn't explain it. Racism and fake news would, but, surely there are other reasons, right?
The last census showed something like 96% of the Cornish population was British white, and 95ish% born in the UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Cornwall

The data hasn't changed too much since the last census, since the ONS shows (for Cornwall 2017-2018:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/ukpopulationbycountryofbirthandnationality/july2017tojune2018

6% of non-UK born and 4% of non-British nationals

A large percentage of the Cornish are retired and the general consensus is that older voters voted leave and living in Cornwall we certainly found that to be the case. Harking back to pre EU days maybe?

Also a lot of the Cornish don't even want to be part of England let alone the EU.

There are lots of unskilled low wage jobs down here and whilst I hesitate to say a lot of EU Eastern European's take the jobs many believe the DM diatribe rubbish about immigrants taking our jobs.

Ironic really that Cornwall gets a lot of EU help and still voted leave.

kabayiri

andrewf75 wrote: »

Given ageing populations and the fact that migrants are net contributers I think the real question is are there the resources to reduce it.

I don't think high immigration is a good thing by the way, but I think drastic changes are required to our economy to cope with less immigration - and no one seems prepared to even discuss this.

It's just a simplistic narrative, every time.

I believe in automation and robots. I always have.

Hamish likes cheap workers because he is a landlord type. It just comes down to where your interests lie.

There is no middle ground. This divide will continue, but I'm comfortable with that.

movilogo

Ironic really that Cornwall gets a lot of EU help and still voted leave.

Not free money though. UK sends money to EU. Some of that money comes to Cornwall with other parts going to East Europe etc.

UK can simply hand that to Cornwall.

qwert_yuiop

movilogo wrote: »

I am guessing because of

1. a large % of London population are not native British i.e. immigrants themselves
2. London people are accoustommed with high level of immigration
3. Many London businesses rely heavily on continuous immigration
4. Even low immigration in Cornwall caused more psychological impact on native population there.

Don't forget only 60% of London voted to remain where as 40% voted to leave. There are many London boroughs where Leave won.

The London turnout was low, which may explain part of it.

mayonnaise

Looks like we won't be leaving on 29/03....

Tromking

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I know. But exposing the logical fallacies of the Brexiteers is interesting and sad at the same time...

Get over yourself, you're doing nothing of the sort.
You're just engaged in the rather hackeneyed process of dripping about a referendum result you don't agree with.
Most of the other Remoaners on this thread stopped boring us with that tactic over 12 months ago.