Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

kabayiri

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

It would be very interesting to understand what the Brexiters on this forum thought of the NHS bus. Did they not see through the lie? Did they know it was a lie, but said nothing because it was in their interest that more people voted Leave, even if based on lies? Or what?

The bus was a classic distraction tool, so beloved by politicians.

It's akin to when someone asks them an awkward question on QT, and they answer something they prefer to talk about.

But...I thought the Remain team made worse mistakes.

Putting Cameron as the head of Remain was a big one. Anybody wanting to give him a metaphorical bloody nose, now had a direct opportunity to do so.

These politicians eh.

fatbeetle

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

It would be very interesting to understand what the Brexiters on this forum thought of the NHS bus. Did they not see through the lie? Did they know it was a lie, but said nothing because it was in their interest that more people voted Leave, even if based on lies? Or what?

They saw that it was a classic bit of political sloganeering, one which twisted, but did not break, the truth. It was not a "lie", it was a distortion.

Reality Check verdict: £350m per week is an approximate sum for what is called the UK's "gross contribution" to the EU and does not take into account that the UK is given a "rebate" before any sum is paid to Brussels.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41306354

BRB_in_2019

fatbeetle wrote: »

They saw that it was a classic bit of political sloganeering, one which twisted, but did not break, the truth. It was not a "lie", it was a distortion.

You have to laugh really.
Well either that or cry empathetically at the sheer desperation of some poor souls who still so vehemently disagree with Brexit that they still feel the need to cling to years-old already-discussed-to-death political sloganeering.
With the amount of pro_EU nonsense we're subjected to ranging from millions of jobs being lost immediately to collapse of the country and even war we can, after all, empathise.

MobileSaver

fatbeetle wrote: »

A survey of 2,200 people?!?!? That's hardy going to be representative is it?

Ah, a poll that doesn't give the answer you want so you try to discredit it...

If you want something truly representative then perhaps we could do a survey of 66 million citizens and call it something like the People's Poll?

Oh but wait that would be too representative and undemocratic so the Brexiteers don't want that either! It's almost like they don't want any more questions asked about the EU for fear of getting the "wrong" answer.

cogito wrote: »

And 42% is not half.

It's a good job Herzlos said "something like half" then isn't it?

LHW99

If you want something truly representative then perhaps we could do a survey of 66 million citizens and call it something like the People's Poll?

You mean like in June 2016......

MobileSaver

LHW99 wrote: »

You mean like in June 2016......

Yes, something just like that but one that can drill down into what the people want today rather than what people thought they wanted several years ago...

fatbeetle

MobileSaver wrote: »

Ah, a poll that doesn't give the answer you want so you try to discredit it...

So you obviously think we should accept these polls at face value? Why? It's a poll with a very small samples size, 2200 people. So to try to extrapolate it's results to the 33.5 million people who actually voted in the poll is farcical at best, mendacious at worse.

If you want something truly representative then perhaps we could do a survey of 66 million citizens and call it something like the People's Poll?

We've already done that. The result was Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%) vs. Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%). ( Turnout: 72.2%. )

Oh but wait that would be too representative and undemocratic so the Brexiteers don't want that either! It's almost like they don't want any more questions asked about the EU for fear of getting the "wrong" answer.

Laughable. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual debate, or are you just here to whine about what others post?

Crashy_Time

MobileSaver wrote: »

Yes, something just like that but one that can drill down into what the people want today rather than what people thought they wanted several years ago...

Two and a bit years ago isn`t really "several" years ago though is it, it is about two years ago, and they have not enacted what the people voted for two years ago yet? I have noticed the "Several years ago we had a referendum" meme appearing on the news etc. from those desperate not to have lost the referendum a lot recently. It is transparent, straight from the SNP playbook, and equally doomed to failure as people are going to demand that the original vote is upheld.

MobileSaver

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Two and a bit years ago isn`t really "several" years ago though is it,

Well, yes, it is actually! "Several" is defined as "more than two but not many" so a period of more than two and a half years is very definitely "several" years despite your protestations.

Crashy_Time wrote: »

I have noticed the "Several years ago we had a referendum" meme appearing on the news etc.

The news reporting the actual facts?!?! Whatever is the world coming to?

Crashy_Time wrote: »

doomed to failure as people are going to demand that the original vote is upheld.

Which people? We have a democracy in the UK so if more people vote the other way in a second referendum then the original vote becomes null and void. Or are you saying that if Labour wins the next General Election I can demand that the original 2017 Conservative win is upheld instead?

Enterprise_1701C

MobileSaver wrote: »

Well, yes, it is actually! "Several" is defined as "more than two but not many" so a period of more than two and a half years is very definitely "several" years despite your protestations.



The news reporting the actual facts?!?! Whatever is the world coming to?



Which people? We have a democracy in the UK so if more people vote the other way in a second referendum then the original vote becomes null and void. Or are you saying that if Labour wins the next General Election I can demand that the original 2017 Conservative win is upheld instead?

So what happens if leave were to win, would we have to go through it all again? And surely if remain won it would have to be the best of three for fairness' sake.

It was billed as a once in a lifetime chance to say what we thought of the eu. I voted remain, but I would now vote leave having seen more and more of the eu, more things I really do not like, the way they reacted when the vote came in, the way they have asked other countries not to give their people a chance to vote to leave. The eu cannot accept that there are people that are not behind their superstate ambitions, people that cannot see the points of view of others are on a hiding to nothing in my books, and as for the way they have treated Greece, well, that is simply shameful.