Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

You’ve been here 40 years and you think you’re going to up sticks and go and live in Europe - don’t believe you tbh.

I'm not planning to, nor put any real research into it yet as I don't feel it necessary. This is mostly more than a single line discussion because some posters are trying to use it to discredit me for being a foreigner and a traitor. I don't want to leave, but I have the option if Brexit is as bad as predicted.

adindas wrote: »

Well the two biggest threats for you and your family, relatives. But what about millions of other people who voted to leave the EU, who voted the conservatives. Do they see it as threats??. I believe you took part in the referendum, you also voted in the GE. And you know what has been decided in the most democratic environment.

Some of them do see it as a threat and have changed their mind, others don't care. I still believe it's a threat whether you voted for it or not.

Well, simple stop remoaning. Get real and accept the fact that the UK is leaving the EU, accept the fact that Conservatives has won the GE.

Ah. I fully accept we're leaving and the Tories won. I can be fully behind Brexit too, I'll buy a flag and everything. Now what? How do I make it a success?

It is the remoaners like you that have let the UK to be humiliated in the first round of negotiation with the EU. They have tied up the UK negotiators hands so the UK cannot negotiate effectively with the EU.

It's remoaners that ensured Parliament had a say in it. We've also taking the empty bluffs off the table allowing you to get on with negotiating instead of posturing. We're never going to leave on a no-deal so threatening it is a waste of everyones time.

After all of this mess up have been sorted hopefully there is a movement to take all of these people to be accountable. There should be a public enquiry seeking possibility of treason charge for these people.

That sounds pretty fascist. Is that what you want? Any dissenters to be tried for treason?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

goral wrote: »

Same as it is today. Someone has sold you something you already have! And you enjoy it.

Except we aren’t an independent country until next Friday. We are a state in a federal system. The country is the European Community. It has a President, a Parliament, a flag, a national anthem and it’s own legal system.

Nobody in Britain voted to be part of that EVER.

You’re the one who’s deluded.

Moe_The_Bartender

It's remoaners that ensured Parliament had a say in it. We've also taking the empty bluffs off the table allowing you to get on with negotiating instead of posturing. We're never going to leave on a no-deal so threatening it is a waste of everyones time.

The remoaner's objective was not simply to ensure that Parliament had a say but to ensure that any deal kept us so closely tied to the EU that we would have been better off staying in. Their tactics failed spectacularly because they would have achieved their objectives by voting for May's deal. They effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

But do not think that WTO is off the table. The EU could again miscalculate so badly that they ensure that there is no deal especially with the sock puppet Barnier in charge of trade discussions.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

goral wrote: »

The EU is an economic block

Wrong.....

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

goral wrote: »

Only the lack of education of people in the UK

Seriously? People in glasses houses and all that? You should treat yourself to an English grammar book before you go criticising the lack of education of the people in the UK, don’t you think?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

goral wrote: »

It's like listening to people who say the earth is flat.
They also say you have tons of evidence on the internet.
The same rhetoric.
Have you already found out what new opportunities UK citizens will have after Brexit and which they do not currently have? Are you still looking for? Or maybe you just believe in them, same how do some people believe that the earth is flat?


ps. Any agreement between states are political. Included WTO, new trade with US and others.

education, education....

I have to say you seem obsessed with the earth being flat and the moon being made of cheese....just saying...

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Herzlos wrote: »

If anything it'll go backwards;

In your humble opinion....

You - someone who has infinite amounts of time to spend on MSE - is all knowing....

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

The remoaner's objective was not simply to ensure that Parliament had a say but to ensure that any deal kept us so closely tied to the EU that we would have been better off staying in. Their tactics failed spectacularly because they would have achieved their objectives by voting for May's deal. They effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Nah, the Remainers objective was that if we're going to Brexit, we want to do it correctly with minimal damage.



Mays deal was a terrible deal for everyone, just like Johnstons is. If it wasn't for those pesky remainers we'd have had Mays deal without Parliament having to consent to it, and noone would be happy.

The EU could again miscalculate so badly that they ensure that there is no deal especially with the sock puppet Barnier in charge of trade discussions.

This shows your bias pretty clearly - what if the UK miscalculates so badly that there's a no deal? The EU has been pretty transparent about what it's red lines are.
How is Barnier a sock puppet? He's a negotiator with a transparent mandate, and is acting within that.
Does that mean Johnston is? He seems to be getting all of his direction from the unelected Cummings.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Backbiter wrote: »

A long article about what the big negotiating points will be in the coming 11-month transition period.
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/01/23/brexit-2020-everything-you-need-to-know-about-johnson-s-trad

It ain't gonna be easy. Just read this but about Northern Ireland:

We can always walk away. Nobody says we have to have a trade deal with the EU. There is every chance we’ll have one with the US by the end of the year anyways.

I don’t give a !!!! if we do deal with the EU. We’ll be free next Friday.

Nor do I give a !!!! if oads of people leave the U.K. cheap houses for the rest of us, more space on the roads and on trains, more places in schools, less queues in A and E and GP surgeries.

Bye, bye.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not planning to, nor put any real research into it yet as I don't feel it necessary. This is mostly more than a single line discussion because some posters are trying to use it to discredit me for being a foreigner and a traitor. I don't want to leave, but I have the option if Brexit is as bad as predicted.

Errr I’ve been reading this thread for years - you made out you were a foreigner, now it turns out you’re Scottish and about as foreign as I’m Irish. Which I’m not, but my parents were.

How you HAMISH?

He always posts as if he knows everything that is going to happen in the future too.