Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Herzlos wrote: »

I've been here 4 decades, grew up here, kids in school here, own a house here, have friends and family here. Lots of reasons to want to stay here but nothing forcing me.
I'm just less worried about brexit because I have an out should our economic suicide happen, though I'll leave with a heavy heart. If you want to turn my homeland into a barren wasteland due to xenophobia then dont expect me to be able to fix it.


I do plenty and will do plenty if needs be. There are going to be a lot of poor to feed.
I'm doing what I can for my country by campaigning against the 2 biggest threats.; brexit and the tories. What else do you want me to do?

You’ve been here 40 years and you think you’re going to up sticks and go and live in Europe - don’t believe you tbh.

I have access to an Irish passport through my parents. I wouldn’t just up sticks because I didn’t like the result of a referendum or GE, or to make a few extra squids. And I can imagine what the wife would say.....

I think you’re posturing .... ( or even trolling)

melanzana

I've left already. Bye bye Little Britain.

Come on over, it's great and no uncertainty about Trade or worker's rights, the environment, food, medicines, travel within EU, clean beaches, farmers, free movement and all the rest of it.

Not saying things are perfect by a long shot, but at least it is stable.

Before you ask it is in EU. Thankfully.

CKhalvashi

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

I've been banging this drum for ages and it just proves the damage caused by freedom of movement. Not that the clowns in Brussels care because to do something about it would be against one of the main tenets of their religion.

I was in Poland recently and saw many cars with Ukrainian plates and, guess what, the Poles are hiring Ukrainians to fill the holes caused by the ones who have left for the UK and Germany. Same story when I visited Romania and Bulgaria who are importing Moldovans, Armenians and Georgians to do the work.

There are more Georgians in Poland than both of the countries you just mentioned put together. Many are studying, some stay on to work afterwards. It's the same with Germany. Armenians are in the same position with Germany and France, however many many more go to Russia. Most Moldovans have EU citizenship anyway.

Car plates are not always a good indicator of nationality in Eastern Europe. There are a lot of Polish-registered cars semi-permanently in Ukraine. This is for tax reasons rather than residency reasons. A lot of Ukrainians and Belarusians visit the Baltics and Poland for shopping, with Belarusians holding long term Schengen visit visas.

We crossed the border from Ukraine to Moldova in July and there was a car full of electrical goods in the bay next to our bus on German plates being thoroughly inspected by Customs. I think it's quite unlikely that the car or goods were carrying onwards to Germany.

I worked in Poland briefly in November and apart from the airport bus driver (who spoke Russian with Ukrainian accent) and the owner of the apartment's girlfriend, plus the Ukrainian delegation for the event I was at, we didn't see many Ukrainians.

I have a Ukrainian client whose partner is Polish. There is a lot of history between the two countries, especially as Poland used to extend into Ukraine to the East, with many linguistic similarities.

So I'm sorry, but what I've seen doesn't tally with what you're saying. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (I know it does), but it's likely not as large scale as you're implying.

adindas

melanzana wrote: »

I've left already. Bye bye Little Britain.

Come on over, it's great and no uncertainty about Trade or worker's rights, the environment, food, medicines, travel within EU, clean beaches, farmers, free movement and all the rest of it.

Not saying things are perfect by a long shot, but at least it is stable.

Before you ask it is in EU. Thankfully.

Well you are minority.
See this statistics ...
Two million EU citizens apply to remain in Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/09/two-million-eu-citizens-apply-to-remain-in-britain-brexit

I am sure you will not be missed.

In the internet people could write everything they want. Whether people will believe it is another matter.

Next time someone will write here they emigrate from the UK to Mars to avoid WW3.

Moe_The_Bartender

CKhalvashi wrote: »

There are more Georgians in Poland than both of the countries you just mentioned put together. Many are studying, some stay on to work afterwards. It's the same with Germany. Armenians are in the same position with Germany and France, however many many more go to Russia. Most Moldovans have EU citizenship anyway.

Car plates are not always a good indicator of nationality in Eastern Europe. There are a lot of Polish-registered cars semi-permanently in Ukraine. This is for tax reasons rather than residency reasons. A lot of Ukrainians and Belarusians visit the Baltics and Poland for shopping, with Belarusians holding long term Schengen visit visas.

We crossed the border from Ukraine to Moldova in July and there was a car full of electrical goods in the bay next to our bus on German plates being thoroughly inspected by Customs. I think it's quite unlikely that the car or goods were carrying onwards to Germany.

I worked in Poland briefly in November and apart from the airport bus driver (who spoke Russian with Ukrainian accent) and the owner of the apartment's girlfriend, plus the Ukrainian delegation for the event I was at, we didn't see many Ukrainians.

I have a Ukrainian client whose partner is Polish. There is a lot of history between the two countries, especially as Poland used to extend into Ukraine to the East, with many linguistic similarities.

So I'm sorry, but what I've seen doesn't tally with what you're saying. I'm not saying it doesn't happen (I know it does), but it's likely not as large scale as you're implying.

I spoke with many Poles on my last visit and their complaints about the numbers of Ukrainians in Poland bordered on racism but they acknowledged that someone had to do the jobs vacated by Poles working elsewhere in the EU. It is estimated that there are up to 2 million Ukrainians working in Poland. If that is not large scale, I do not know what is.

This is only one source.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/18/whole-generation-has-gone-ukrainian-seek-better-life-poland-elect-president

Google it and you will find hundreds.

This link is very disturbing and is totally in accordance with my experience:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-migrants-in-poland-xenophobia-fear-abuse-harassment/

goral

Subject is about brexit, and what will be after brexit, what opportunity you will have and not about Ukrainians in Poland (official date show that about 2 mln Ukrainian is in Poland).

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

melanzana wrote: »

I've left already. Bye bye Little Britain.

Another troll no doubt. But I’ll play along.


Bye, bye. From that comment I doubt you’ll be missed

melanzana wrote: »

Come on over, it's great and no uncertainty about Trade or worker's rights, the environment, food, medicines, travel within EU, clean beaches, farmers, free movement and all the rest of it.

Not saying things are perfect by a long shot, but at least it is stable.

Before you ask it is in EU. Thankfully.

No democracy, no economic growth, no jobs - good luck!

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

goral wrote: »

Subject is about brexit, and what will be after brexit, what opportunity you will have and not about Ukrainians in Poland (official date show that about 2 mln Ukrainian is in Poland).

It’s MSE - the thread goes where the thread goes.... who put you in charge?

After Brexit, Britain will be an independent country.

goral

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

It’s MSE - the thread goes where the thread goes.... who put you in charge?

After Brexit, Britain will be an independent country.

Same as it is today. Someone has sold you something you already have! And you enjoy it.

adindas

goral wrote: »

Same as it is today. Someone has sold you something you already have! And you enjoy it.

But when you are the decision maker rather than someone else making decision for you whether to take it or to reject it, it is an entirely different matter isn't it ?? Let alone with Brexit you could decide who you want who you do not want you could expand trade, connection to wherever you want to ...

Also keep in mind Brexit is a democratic decision which is priceless, no money could buy