Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

One of the reasons, but not the only reason. You're trying to get to the conclusion you want by inferring from incomplete data. If you want to know if people actually want to Brexit, you need to ask them that and that alone.

borntobefree wrote: »

Herloz it’s pointless arguing with you. To be honest I feel very sorry for you. I love my country. It must be sad not to have that.

I love my country (Scotland) too, I'm just not prepared to sit back and watch it suffer because people in a different country (England) want to leave the EU for a pile of nonsensical reasons.



I'd love to stay, but at some point my family needs to come first and if I need to move over to the EU to support them better then I'll do so without hesitation. Luckily I have a career and skillset that's in enough demand, and I can likely keep my current job and just move to a different site.

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

That really doesn’t support your statement about excesses of the UK parliament. Given your reference to treatment of the disabled, it would appear that you are confusing the ECJ and the ECHR, the latter of which is nothing to do with the EU. If you find any links, please post them.

You may be right and I may be confusing them. I'll withdraw my claim.

triathlon

borntobefree wrote: »

Herloz it’s pointless arguing with you. To be honest I feel very sorry for you. I love my country. It must be sad not to have that.

For you a country just seems to be a place where you can plonk yourself to make money. For you, Britain is little more than a business park. Sad.

Spot on
And at a guess I bet there are another 10 million on our shores that do not give a toss about our culture, traditions and way of life, I wonder if another major world war broke out and our shores were threatened with invasion how many would go scuttling off to their "real home".

Brexit was not my choice, but I don't fear it, either way we would be OK, but I do hate some of the reasons why some voted to Remain, seems like money is their only driving force in life like you say

Herzlos

triathlon wrote: »

Spot on
And at a guess I bet there are another 10 million on our shores that do not give a toss about our culture, traditions and way of life, I wonder if another major world war broke out and our shores were threatened with invasion how many would go scuttling off to their "real home".

Brexit was not my choice, but I don't fear it, either way we would be OK, but I do hate some of the reasons why some voted to Remain, seems like money is their only driving force in life like you say

You're implying foreigners can't care about your way of life?


I bet there's at least 10 million natives, of "British" descent, who couldn't give a stuff either.

wintersunshine

Getting_greyer wrote: »

Think this is a poor take tbh.

Really? I'm with the op.

Herzlos wrote: »

I've got deepish roots here

Deepish roots??

Herzlos wrote: »

I can afford to wait because I'm well enough off to weather it and I'm in a job that wont be affected (beyond the extra hassle of interacting with europe). I might even be able to get a bigger house out of it. If the downturn is sustained and my family starts to suffer I'll be one of the many higher rate tax payersp heading back into the EU.

Herzlos wrote: »

Because if you chase out all of the skilled professionals, who's going to pay for all the infrastructure?
If I leave, I'll take my job with me, and all my tax will go to whichever host country I go to. I won't be leaving a role for someone else to take. It'll be a net loss to the UK. Enough to affect anyone on my own? Nah. But how many of us leaving before you suddenly stop having enough money to pay pensions, or to keep hospitals open and so on?

Sounds like a true patriot.


“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,” JFK

wintersunshine

Getting_greyer wrote: »

Think this is a poor take tbh. He's concerned that brexit will have negative consequences for the UK.

No. He / she is concerned only about themselves.

Getting_greyer wrote: »

I suspect it's likely that he rejects the ingrained nationalism that expects us to love our country no matter what. But you can still be proud of things your country has done, and also show concern when you think it's wrong. Patriotism and symbolism sometimes blinds us to wrong doings.

He/she cares only about himself/herself. Show me one post that indicates otherwise?

Getting_greyer wrote: »

End of the day, people will emigrate to seek advantages or when they feel the social contract between state and people is broken. A country is really just a landmass with certain rules within a mostly socially constructed border. Who cares if someone doesn't feel amorous about that anyway.

As Theresa May said "If you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere".

Malthusian

Bearing in mind that the Kennedy family's country has done very nicely for the Kennedy family to the tune of billions over the decades, it was fairly easy for JFK to lecture the masses about patriotic sacrifice.

We are talking about a guy so keen on sacrifice that he allowed his own sister to have part of her brain forcibly chopped out to stop her compromising his political career.

wintersunshine

Herzlos wrote: »

I love my country (Scotland) too, I'm just not prepared to sit back and watch it suffer because people in a different country (England) want to leave the EU for a pile of nonsensical reasons.

You missed "in your humble opinion".


Your mind seems firmly closed to the idea that there is any view other your own (as other posters have said). And 100% sure that you are 100% right, which is laughable imho.

wintersunshine

Malthusian wrote: »

Bearing in mind that the Kennedy family's country has done very nicely for the Kennedy family to the tune of billions over the decades, it was fairly easy for JFK to lecture the masses about patriotic sacrifice.

We are talking about a guy so keen on sacrifice that he allowed his own sister to have part of her brain forcibly chopped out to stop her compromising his political career.

Well, maybe, but my point still stands - it's all about what Herzlos can get out of the Britain, nothing about what he gives to Britain. And when he's filled his boots - he's off...


Fair enough. But let's call a spade a spade.



Scotland's so lucky.

Getting_greyer

Lot of people casting the first stone here. Clearly a lot of true and selfless patriots in tonight. I'd like to ask them what is the most important thing we should do as individuals for our country? Is it look after the vulnerable or defend the state institutions or other?

Genuine question btw

triathlon

Herzlos wrote: »

You're implying foreigners can't care about your way of life?


I bet there's at least 10 million natives, of "British" descent, who couldn't give a stuff either.

No, I am implying a lot of "foreigners" feel that way.

People of British national decent have proven time and time again that when pushed they come good everytime, just look back to the last century alone if you want to question that.