Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

shaggydoo

Getting_greyer wrote: »

Lot of people casting the first stone here. Clearly a lot of true and selfless patriots in tonight. I'd like to ask them what is the most important thing we should do as individuals for our country? Is it look after the vulnerable or defend the state institutions or other?

Genuine question btw

I have a genuine question too....when people just live in a country as if it's a business park and then flit when times get tough and leave the vunerable behind what happens?


Oh wait, that's what happened to all the countries in eastern Europe.


Exodus of youth ages Poland’s population
https://www.ft.com/content/41b93930-52c7-11e4-9221-00144feab7de


Poland scraps income tax for young people in bid to tempt emigrants home
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-income-tax-young-people-workers-eu-free-movement-a9027186.html


Polish 'ghost towns'?

More than any other area in Poland, Podlaskie's residents have taken advantage of the freedom to live and work in other EU countries - particularly the UK.
In some towns, more than one in 10 has left, mostly young people - leaving none but the elderly behind.

Eastern Europe hemorrhaging people
https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/deepening-poverty-drives-people-out-of-eastern-europe













I guess when you've flit one country it is easy to flit another.

SpendingAspire

triathlon wrote: »

No, I am implying a lot of "foreigners" feel that way.

People of British national decent have proven time and time again that when pushed they come good everytime, just look back to the last century alone if you want to question that.

That seems to be applicable to anyone of descent of any extant nation. Even for those of countries that are presently afflicted by turmoil one could argue that their citizens are merely in the process of "com[ing] good" while assuaged by either internal or external (and historically contingent) circumstances that are presently causing them strife.

Getting_greyer

triathlon wrote: »

No, I am implying a lot of "foreigners" feel that way.

People of British national decent have proven time and time again that when pushed they come good everytime, just look back to the last century alone if you want to question that.

There's a few nations that would probably disagree with you there.

Getting_greyer

If your only course to an income is to sell your labour, and you are in a position to work abroad for better opportunities, is it unpatriotic to do so?

PaulW1965

Getting_greyer wrote: »

If your only course to an income is to sell your labour, and you are in a position to work abroad for better opportunities, is it unpatriotic to do so?

Maybe. If you're abandoning all your old folk to pecuniary hardship, you're not exactly worthy of a medal are you?

Getting_greyer

PaulW1965 wrote: »

Maybe. If you're abandoning all your old folk to pecuniary hardship, you're not exactly worthy of a medal are you?

It makes for an interesting debate. So in this case our patriotism is inextricably linked to our employment. If you live on passive income does the same still apply? And if the state has left the country in such a state that there is mass exodus and falling tax take, is it worthy of your patriotic fervour in the first place?

If I retire in Spain, have I let my cou try down?

Herzlos

wintersunshine wrote: »

Deepish roots??

I've been here 4 decades, grew up here, kids in school here, own a house here, have friends and family here. Lots of reasons to want to stay here but nothing forcing me.
I'm just less worried about brexit because I have an out should our economic suicide happen, though I'll leave with a heavy heart. If you want to turn my homeland into a barren wasteland due to xenophobia then dont expect me to be able to fix it.

“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,” JFK

I do plenty and will do plenty if needs be. There are going to be a lot of poor to feed.
I'm doing what I can for my country by campaigning against the 2 biggest threats.; brexit and the tories. What else do you want me to do?

triathlon

PaulW1965 wrote: »

Maybe. If you're abandoning all your old folk to pecuniary hardship, you're not exactly worthy of a medal are you?

I have a good friend who was at the BBC up until 2017, I got all the good gossip coming out of there first hand. They were going to do a story on the Polish medical profession in various roles who left Poland to work in the UK, there is a lot of Polish back home who don't have a very high opinion of many of the trained professional running off, of course the BBC pulled the story. Yet they love their constant news stories of how we will lose nurses and doctors etc due to Brexit, which is true, but they never tell you the over substantial side to the story of worsening medical care back home.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm doing what I can for my country by campaigning against the 2 biggest threats.; brexit and the tories.

Well the two biggest threats for you and your family, relatives. But what about millions of other people who voted to leave the EU, who voted the conservatives. Do they see it as threats??. I believe you took part in the referendum, you also voted in the GE. And you know what has been decided in the most democratic environment.

Herzlos wrote: »

What else do you want me to do?

Well, simple stop remoaning. Get real and accept the fact that the UK is leaving the EU, accept the fact that Conservatives has won the GE.

It is the remoaners like you that have let the UK to be humiliated in the first round of negotiation with the EU. They have tied up the UK negotiators hands so the UK cannot negotiate effectively with the EU.

Just to remind you what damages the remoaners have been causing. These are just few examples.

- They wanted the UK to hand over money without knowing what the UK will get in return. Keep in mind Divorce settlement is not in the treaty.
- They wanted to handover the fishing right of the UK water without knowing what the UK will get in return
- They wanted to give unilateral right to the EU citizen without knowing what the UK will get in return
- They wanted to remove the threat of no-deal.
- They keep fighting to reverse Brexit. Every government movement they try to block it. How many Court challenges, Voting in the parliaments. They did eveything to make sure that all of the power that could be used to negotiate to be removed.

It is the same thing with fight. During the fight someone you know tie your hands during the fight while your opponent keep punching your face and head. If this thing did happen to you could you win the fight ??? Would you ever forgive the person someone you know who tied your hands ??

It does not need a shrewd negotiator to see that if you agree all of these things, what do you think the leverage the UK will have in the negotiation table ???

Keep in mind you took part in this decision making to leave the EU, you took part in the GE to decide which party rules the country.

You just need to see how Switzerland, Canada, although small, less influential countries than the UK they could negotiate better with the EU because the people are united.

After all of this mess up have been sorted hopefully there is a movement to take all of these people to be accountable. There should be a public enquiry seeking possibility of treason charge for these people.

Moe_The_Bartender

shaggydoo wrote: »

I have a genuine question too....when people just live in a country as if it's a business park and then flit when times get tough and leave the vunerable behind what happens?


Oh wait, that's what happened to all the countries in eastern Europe.


Exodus of youth ages Poland’s population
https://www.ft.com/content/41b93930-52c7-11e4-9221-00144feab7de


Poland scraps income tax for young people in bid to tempt emigrants home
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-income-tax-young-people-workers-eu-free-movement-a9027186.html


Polish 'ghost towns'?
Eastern Europe hemorrhaging people
https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/deepening-poverty-drives-people-out-of-eastern-europe


I guess when you've flit one country it is easy to flit another.

I've been banging this drum for ages and it just proves the damage caused by freedom of movement. Not that the clowns in Brussels care because to do something about it would be against one of the main tenets of their religion.

I was in Poland recently and saw many cars with Ukrainian plates and, guess what, the Poles are hiring Ukrainians to fill the holes caused by the ones who have left for the UK and Germany. Same story when I visited Romania and Bulgaria who are importing Moldovans, Armenians and Georgians to do the work.