Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lvader

It’s kind of irrelevant now because the backstop no longer exists but no I’d don’t think your argument stands up.

Herzlos

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Maybe we are all just sick of naysayer remainers trying to block any attempt at moving the process forward?

We're not blocking it, we're just asking for (a) some details and (b) what was promised.

Perhaps if said whingers had actually got a coherent plan that they themselves could agree on it might be a different story

The Remainers have a coherent plan: Negotiate a deal (done now), ask the people what they think of the deal (just like Jacob Reese Mogg suggested in 2016), implement that.


We're at a deadlock because no deal is going to make everyone happy, we need to decide who we want to upset and get on with it.

SpiderLegs

Herzlos wrote: »

We're not blocking it, we're just asking for (a) some details and (b) what was promised.

A. You now have the details
B. You were promised that we would leave the eu.

The Remainers have a coherent plan: Negotiate a deal (done now), ask the people what they think of the deal (just like Jacob Reese Mogg suggested in 2016), implement that.

Did you miss the bit where I said ‘that they can all agree on’????

We're at a deadlock because no deal is going to make everyone happy, we need to decide who we want to upset and get on with it.

Yes well done. That’s what Boris is doing. Unfortunately for you though it’s been decided that the people we want to upset are those still clinging on to some desperate hope of revoking. Now we are going to get on with it hopefully.

gfplux

The Deal is called
The Modified withdrawal agreement/transition period/modified Political Declaration.

I have seen and tried to read the +60 pages that will modify the +500 pages of the Withdrawal agreement.

Has anyone a link to the modified Political Declaration and do they know what parts were modified?

JoeyG

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Unfortunately for you though it’s been decided that the people we want to upset are those still clinging on to some desperate hope of revoking. Now we are going to get on with it hopefully.

I don't know, but this guy looks pretty upset to me: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7584017/Nigel-Farage-says-DELAY-Brexit-leave-Boris-Johnsons-new-deal.html

Moby

Looks like there is an amendment to the vote on Johnson's deal that stops the deal being passed until after 31/10:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/18/boris-johnson-launches-frantic-sales-pitch-of-brexit-deal-ahead-of-commons-vote-politics-live?page=with:block-5da9cab28f08c78d1cb4e786#block-5da9cab28f08c78d1cb4e786

Thrugelmir

JoeyG wrote: »

I don't know, but this guy looks pretty upset to me:

With a likelihood of a General Election. Like Sturgeon and Scottish Independence. Needs to keep the foot soldiers engaged and focussed on the job. Nothing is formally agreed yet. Will be a thorn in Labour's side one suspects.

RyanEzio

Moby wrote: »

Looks like there is an amendment to the vote on Johnson's deal that stops the deal being passed until after 31/10:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/18/boris-johnson-launches-frantic-sales-pitch-of-brexit-deal-ahead-of-commons-vote-politics-live?page=with:block-5da9cab28f08c78d1cb4e786#block-5da9cab28f08c78d1cb4e786

No, it doesn't state that at all.


It clearly is more of an insurance policy, just in case we accidently leave with no deal on 31/10.


If a deal is passed tomorrow, it just makes sure everything will go through without going over the cliff edge.


It's just making sure the ERG get on board with the deal.



We're still leaving Oct 31st.

Moby

RyanEzio wrote: »

No, it doesn't state that at all.


It clearly is more of an insurance policy, just in case we accidently leave with no deal on 31/10.


If a deal is passed tomorrow, it just makes sure everything will go through without going over the cliff edge.


It's just making sure the ERG get on board with the deal.



We're still leaving Oct 31st.

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1185193150433943552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1185193150433943552&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2019%2Foct%2F18%2Fboris-johnson-launches-frantic-sales-pitch-of-brexit-deal-ahead-of-commons-vote-politics-live%3Fpage%3Dwith%253Ablock-5da9cab28f08c78d1cb4e786

According to her Johnson will be forced to ask for an extension if the legislation does not get through by 31/10?

That, in light of the new deal agreed with the European Union, which enables the United Kingdom to respect the result of the referendum on its membership of the European Union and to leave the European Union on 31 October with a deal, this house has considered the matter but withholds approval unless and until implementing legislation is passed.

Thrugelmir

RyanEzio wrote: »

If a deal is passed tomorrow, it just makes sure everything will go through without going over the cliff edge.

There's no desire to get the deal passed tomorrow. Too much self interest at stake.