Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

qwert_yuiop

lvader wrote: »

The DUP alliance to the conservatives goes back a long time, same as Labour with Sinn Fein/IRA

It doesn’t, and your labour accusation is outrageous.

lvader

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

It doesn’t, and your labour accusation is outrageous.

Not even Sinn Fein?

phillw

lvader wrote: »

Not even Sinn Fein?

That wasn't the outrageous accusation.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

That wasn't the outrageous accusation.

OK just checking.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU said that they wouldn't reopen the negotiated Withdrawl Agreement. They have. Not sure what more one can ask.

Which has nothing to do with whether Johnson is a massive hypocrite or not. He hated (or pretended to at least) TM's deal but his fundamentally unchanged deal is the best thing since sliced bread.

Moby

lvader wrote: »

Not even Sinn Fein?

I thought Labour's Northern Ireland Party partnership history was with the SDLP?

Sailtheworld

lvader wrote: »

Not really, the only way out of the backstop would be to prove that the EU was negotiating in bad faith, thats quite a hard thing to prove especially since it would be a European court.

Conspiracy theory (I) is the assumption the EU would negotiate in bad faith because they want the UK to be tied to them in perpetuity. Conspiracy theory (II) is that a European Court would, by default, rule in favour of the EU. Really, it's about time the brexiteers got over themselves.

The one thing that should now be abundantly clear is that parliament always was and remains sovereign. If the EU negotiated in bad faith and parliament was so minded they could bring in legislation accordingly. Nothing's forever.

Thrugelmir

lvader wrote: »

The DUP alliance to the conservatives goes back a long time, same as Labour with Sinn Fein/IRA

Not in the mainstream of the party. Only on the maverick fringes.

lvader

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Conspiracy theory (I) is the assumption the EU would negotiate in bad faith because they want the UK to be tied to them in perpetuity. Conspiracy theory (II) is that a European Court would, by default, rule in favour of the EU. Really, it's about time the brexiteers got over themselves.

The one thing that should now be abundantly clear is that parliament always was and remains sovereign. If the EU negotiated in bad faith and parliament was so minded they could bring in legislation accordingly. Nothing's forever.

There wasn’t any provision for unilateral withdrawal from the backstop like article 50. That was the problem.

Sailtheworld

lvader wrote: »

There wasn’t any provision for unilateral withdrawal from the backstop like article 50. That was the problem.

For it to be a problem requires you to buy into two conspiracy theories and not understand what a sovereign parliament is.

It was only a 'problem' because Johnson decided it provided the leverage required to get him into No. 10. Job done - no need to pretend anymore.