Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

The liar Boris Johnson’s “New Deal" means Northern Ireland will be tied to EU Customs and Regulatory arrangements and there will be a Customs and Regulatory Border in the Irish sea.

Do you have an alternative suggestion? Easy to throw mud. Without a constructive alternative.

Moby

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

It is very important that everyone understands the difference between that terrible Theresa May deal and the liar Boris Johnson's Fantastic deal.

Theresa May's deal included a Backstop which meant Northern Ireland would be tied to EU Customs and Regulatory arrangements and there would be a Customs and Regulatory Border in the Irish sea.

The liar Boris Johnson’s “New Deal" means Northern Ireland will be tied to EU Customs and Regulatory arrangements and there will be a Customs and Regulatory Border in the Irish sea.

Obviously it was quite therefore right that May's deal was rejected and Johnsons deal should be passed... Although I’m fairly sure that this is something that the liar Boris Johnson said was completely unacceptable not so long ago.

Dominic Raab is even saying that N Ireland will be in a great place because they will have frictionless access to the Single Market under the liar Johnson's deal.....something the rest of us will lose! so why exactly are we leaving then!
https://twitter.com/Rob_Merrick/status/1185094511925628928


This is what the liar Johnson said last year:-


'If we wanted to do free trade deals, if we wanted to cut tariffs … if we wanted to vary our regulation then we would have to leave Northern Ireland behind as an economic semi-colony of the EU and we would be damaging the fabric of the union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland – on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish Sea that are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement.
Now I have to tell you, no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement.'


....but we now know there will be a customs border in the Irish Sea. Goods passing through NI to EU from GB will be taxed with EU tariff - hence there will be a border!

SpiderLegs

Conina wrote: »

Yes it is and that's why I'm putting up a link which explains the differences, then people can make up their own minds.

FWIW I thought remainers wanted a trade deal & links with the EU but from comments here it seems not, whereas surely anybody with even a modicum of understanding realized that if there was to be a deal it would involve compromises which hardliners from both sides would not like.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-brexit-deal-explained-2/

Let’s not also forget that there has been many many complaints from remainers about the DUP influence and how terrible it is that they had such power in the negotiations over the last few years.
Now Boris chucks them and their unreasonable veto demands under the bus, in order to get a deal over the line, in favour of a cleaner and fairer democratic consent mechanism that represents all parties in NI - prompting a strengthening of Stormont.

Nasty nasty Boris eh. Those poor DUP MPs.

Tromking

Seems like a win/win for BJ.
Win the vote and he's the man that got Brexit done, lose it and he goes into the next election with a ready-made deal to go and the ability to point at the rest and say they want dither and delay and are prolonging the agony.

Moby

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Let’s not also forget that there has been many many complaints from remainers about the DUP influence and how terrible it is that they had such power in the negotiations over the last few years.
Now Boris chucks them and their unreasonable veto demands under the bus, in order to get a deal over the line, in favour of a cleaner and fairer democratic consent mechanism that represents all parties in NI - prompting a strengthening of Stormont.

Nasty nasty Boris eh. Those poor DUP MPs.

The fact that a duplicitous fraud has turned on his own doesn't make him less of a duplicitous fraud.

RyanEzio

I predict it will slip through , it has to.



Few weeks ago Boris had the commons against him. Now he is has them all up in arms because he has a deal. You can't make it up.



If Labour Mps vote this deal down, they are finished . If they vote it through, especially northern MPs . They can campaign the next GE on that they voted for a deal to attract the labour leavers .


Whatever happens, Corbyn is finished. Either tomorrow or in a few months time.

Thrugelmir

RyanEzio wrote: »

Few weeks ago Boris had the commons against him. Now he is has them all up in arms because he has a deal. You can't make it up.

That's the inherent danger when you underrate someone. It's actions no words that count at the end of the day. Not a fan of BJ personally but you do have to give him credit. When others simply wrote him off as having no chance.

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

Yes it is and that's why I'm putting up a link which explains the differences, then people can make up their own minds.

FWIW I thought remainers wanted a trade deal & links with the EU but from comments here it seems not, whereas surely anybody with even a modicum of understanding realized that if there was to be a deal it would involve compromises which hardliners from both sides would not like.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-brexit-deal-explained-2/

That's quite a wordy article.

In summary the backstop has gone; replaced by new customs arrangements whereby the UK leaves the customs union but NI remains an entry point into the EU customs zone. Looks like a fudge and there will need to be some checks introduced between mainland UK & NI.

The NI Assembly, after four years, get to vote on whether this arrangement should continue.

i.e. 99% of the deal is unchanged from the deal negotiated when Theresa May was PM. There's no real reason for anyone who voted against TM's deal to vote for this one. The only thing that's changed is there's a potential threat of no deal as an alternative so there's a choice of which foot would be best to be shot in. Plus there's an element of fatigue - it's probably time to put this to bed one way or another.

Johnson is saying he's achieved 'a great deal which takes back control' but I don't recall him saying May's deal would be a great deal which would take back control if only for a tiny tweak. He's a complete & massive hypocrite.

He's on his uppers though. Ahead in the polls and he's like teflon - nothing sticks. Meanwhile the mud being slung at Corbyn (justified or not) does seem to be sticking.

phillw

SpiderLegs wrote: »

It would take about 3.5 seconds for a rational human to find out that the above post from zero gravitas is total rubbish.

How are you deciding whether someone is rational?

Moby

Sailtheworld wrote: »

He's on his uppers though. Ahead in the polls and he's like teflon - nothing sticks. Meanwhile the mud being slung at Corbyn (justified or not) does seem to be sticking.

Brexit and your position on it has become the defining issue of our time. Personal integrity counts for nothing so long as you 'get brexit done'. Of course the reality is the withdrawal agreement is just the start......we now face years of haggling over the future relationship and I've yet to see a coherent argument explaining how leaving the EU makes us all richer.