Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Conina

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Reality is that the EU itself doesn't want a no deal. Nor wishes to extend discussions further. It's make your mind up time. Politicians of all parties now need to think very carefully as to what they do next. As they could alienate themselves for a generation. Being intransigent is no longer an option.

The EU is already seeing what damage the uncertainty is doing to its economy so it's no great surprise that Juncker (and undoubtedly other EU senior figures) want to see a decision made. We're down to three choices: 1 Accept the deal now 2 Refuse the deal & accept a no deal Brexit 3 Refuse the deal & see pro-Brexit tory support win a majority in an election called soon to resolve the refusal issue. Conservative support increased on the mere promise of Brexit; when voters see that they were true to their word and tried but failed because of Labour & remainer intransigence it's likely that the tories will achieve quite a majority.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

it's likely that the tories will achieve quite a majority.

Of course they will, keep pushing for that GE.

Conina

phillw wrote: »

Of course they will, keep pushing for that GE.

No pushing required, it will be or it will not. Simples.

We know polls lie but this month's put the tories at anywhere from 3% to 15% ahead of the next favourite & that's before current events which won't exactly be decreasing that lead.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

No pushing required, it will be or it will not. Simples.

We know polls lie but this month's put the tories at anywhere from 3% to 15% ahead of the next favourite & that's before current events which won't exactly be decreasing that lead.

You're still thinking two dimensionally.

Do or die was a mistake.
Brexiters introduced the idea of facts not mattering wholesale in UK politics, which was a mistake.

The boot is now on the other foot.

PixelPound

Is there any difference between May's deal and Johnson's? Is it still take it or leave it from the EU.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

The boot is now on the other foot.

Agreed. Dithering is no longer an option. Labour have been led into no mans land. Neither for or against. Neutrality has failed.

PixelPound

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Agreed. Dithering is no longer an option. Labour have been led into no mans land. Neither for or against. Neutrality has failed.

Compromise is no longer an option and a deal at this stage will please very few. Latest polls have the majority of 2016 leave voters wanting leave with no deal rather than a deal similar to May's, extend, second referendum, or revoke etc and the majority of 2016 remain voters want to remain or revoke article 50 than extend, referendum, leave with a May style deal etc.

Zero_Gravitas

nic_c wrote: »

Is there any difference between May's deal and Johnson's? Is it still take it or leave it from the EU.

It is very important that everyone understands the difference between that terrible Theresa May deal and the liar Boris Johnson's Fantastic deal.

Theresa May's deal included a Backstop which meant Northern Ireland would be tied to EU Customs and Regulatory arrangements and there would be a Customs and Regulatory Border in the Irish sea.

The liar Boris Johnson’s “New Deal" means Northern Ireland will be tied to EU Customs and Regulatory arrangements and there will be a Customs and Regulatory Border in the Irish sea.

Obviously it was quite therefore right that May's deal was rejected and Johnsons deal should be passed... Although I’m fairly sure that this is something that the liar Boris Johnson said was completely unacceptable not so long ago.

Conina

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

It is very important that everyone understands the difference between that terrible Theresa May deal and the liar Boris Johnson's Fantastic deal.

Yes it is and that's why I'm putting up a link which explains the differences, then people can make up their own minds.

FWIW I thought remainers wanted a trade deal & links with the EU but from comments here it seems not, whereas surely anybody with even a modicum of understanding realized that if there was to be a deal it would involve compromises which hardliners from both sides would not like.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-brexit-deal-explained-2/

SpiderLegs

It would take about 3.5 seconds for a rational human to find out that the above post from zero gravitas is total rubbish.