Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

We are ready for a no deal
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It was the job of the government and the civil service to be ready for the default option once A50 was triggered.

If they didn't believe they could do it, then don't trigger it !

What was it...nearly 500 MPs chose to trigger A50? I think so.

It's like the referendum. Don't call one if you can't deliver on either option. I'm not accepting any blame for politicians playing the UK like a slot machine.

phillw

andrewf75 wrote: »

When we regain our sanity and are ready to rejoin the world in a generations time, it will be with a close partnership to the EU like Switzerland or Norway.

The deals they have are balanced to their specific circumstances, our circumstances are more in-line with other EU member states & so it doesn't make much sense for the EU to tailor a good deal for us.

kabayiri wrote: »

What was it...nearly 500 MPs chose to trigger A50? I think so.

It's like the referendum. Don't call one if you can't deliver on either option. I'm not accepting any blame for politicians playing the UK like a slot machine.

They are on a hiding to nothing, If parliament had spent the last two years arguing about what coloured brexit they wanted and hadn't triggered article 50 yet then things wouldn't be any calmer. Democracy is a double edged sword.

Herzlos

In a move that surprises no-one the EU confirm that a no deal brexit obviously requires a hard border:

https://www.independent.co.uk/brexit-no-deal-irish-border-hard-backstop-theresa-may-withdrawal-good-friday-agreement-a8740676.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1548168912

So now we're just left to argue the semantics about whether that means the UK or EU is responsible for the border going up, when the petrol bombs start flying?

andrewf75

What a surprise! And what an outrage, the EU pointing out the need to take back control of our borders!

kabayiri

Trump might have a bit of wall left over from his pet project.

If we need a border, let them put one up. They can make it to the French Guyana standard...that's pretty porous.

Lungboy

mayonnaise wrote: »

For a second, I read this as 'down by 13%'
But no...13% of current capacity it is...hmmm...:think:

Sometimes I wonder if a hard brexit would be exactly the thing we need to cure this nation once and for all of its grubby Europhobia and its post-colonial delusions of grandeur.

A couple of weeks of rationing, food riots and hyper inflation followed by a government of national unity starting emergency negotiations with the EU to get us back in asap.

Don't be daft, the catastrophic outcome of Brexit will be blamed completely on the EU and on Remainers.

BobQ

kabayiri wrote: »

It was the job of the government and the civil service to be ready for the default option once A50 was triggered.

If they didn't believe they could do it, then don't trigger it !

What was it...nearly 500 MPs chose to trigger A50? I think so.

It's like the referendum. Don't call one if you can't deliver on either option. I'm not accepting any blame for politicians playing the UK like a slot machine.

I agree that they voted for it but the context was two years of negotiations amid promises from the Government that it would be the easiest deal to negotiate, we could have our cake and eat it with frictionless free trade without FoM and that they needed us more than we need them. It was never going to be the case, but we could have obtained a better deal if we had delayed A50 until we had an agreed position.

Instead the deal is being driven by appeasing the divisions in the Tory Party. Had Labour been in power it would probably have been the same with them. But May in power and responsible for this mess. She should have built a cross party consensus based on what was easily achievable (like a Norway model) and then built on that.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Trump might have a bit of wall left over from his pet project.

If we need a border, let them put one up. They can make it to the French Guyana standard...that's pretty porous.

If it's too porous and someone complains to the WTO then we'd fall foul of the "most favoured nation" thing and we'd have to trade with the rest of the world tariff free - if the EU gets free goods movements because we don't enforce a border, and we don't have a trade deal, then everyone else must get it. For that reason alone the EU won't be so lax in the other direction.


But presumably no-one actually wants a lax border, otherwise we're just inviting the immigrants in?

Arklight

The avalanche of good news about Brexit just keeps coming.

Fervent Leaver Dyson announces he is going to live by his word and is leaving Europe himself, and taking Dyson with him. The company will now be based in Singapore. When asked if Dyson was still a British company he muttered something about it being "global" and hurried off somewhere, presumably to look into how many more Brits he can offload before even the Tories realise something has gone wrong.

P&O is putting all its ships under the Cypriot flag (they'll be stopping France for £1 with a copy of yesterday's Sun next). Sony is saying a tearful farewell to the UK and will be moving its European headquarters to Amsterdam, and Pets At Home is stockpiling catfood in anticipation of Brexit meaning they can't import any.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/no-deal-brexit-panic-grips-major-uk-firms

Yes it's all going swimmingly isn't it Brexiteers, nothing to see here, it's all just name plates moving around and British cats will finally have the freedom to roam around eating squirrels without Brussels' meddling.

Maybe they can bring some back for their owners to eat when the contents of our supermarkets are stuck at Dover because freedom.

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

In a move that surprises no-one the EU confirm that a no deal brexit obviously requires a hard border:

https://www.independent.co.uk/brexit-no-deal-irish-border-hard-backstop-theresa-may-withdrawal-good-friday-agreement-a8740676.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1548168912

So now we're just left to argue the semantics about whether that means the UK or EU is responsible for the border going up, when the petrol bombs start flying?

The European Commission said it was “pretty obvious” that new infrastructure would be needed at the sensitive border if the UK crashed out of the EU without a deal.

The comments blow a hole in claims by Brexiteers that there would definitely not be a hard border in Ireland regardless of whether there is a withdrawal agreement or no

It really does take some level of delusion and arrogance not to realise that the people who own the other side of the border also get to decide what happens to it.

I feel sorry for Eire, they really are between a rock and a hard place. If they wake up on April Fool's day and there is no agreement in place then of course they'll have to close the border. They can no more move goods and people freely over it than they can from Botswana.

Maybe the day should be renamed Brexit Fools's day. There are certainly enough of them over here to deserve their own special day.