Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

BikingBud wrote: »

Did I fall asleep and miss something? I' m sure that he is not sure what he wants!

Corbyn is happy to meet with leaders of Sinn Fein or Hezbollah. Yet cannot act in a grown up way on behalf of the country he purports to represent.

Sends his clueless lackey onto BBC's Question Time. Dianne Abbott negotiating with the EU. The thought sends shivers down my spine.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn is happy to meet with leaders of Sinn Fein or Hezbollah. Yet cannot act in a grown up way on behalf of the country he purports to represent.

In your opinion. He's made it clear he's happy to engage in discussions if the destructive no deal is taken off the table and the money put to something useful, and that seems perfectly fair.


As is his offer for May to stand down and let him run it. Why should he do anything else? He's the opposition leader and the Tory whipping boy.

Arklight

johnelectrical wrote: »

there was a line of decrepit old pensioners already queuing up
sound like your racist, I mean ageist, against people with more life experience than you
yes I am old, but if I thought staying in would benefit my children more than me I would have voted to remain, unlike you who only listen to the propaganda of panic. house prices will not go down because we live in a world on supply and demand, so as soon as all the panic peddlers get proven wrong it will all go back to normal.
may is a remainer, she came back with a deal that is unacceptable to both remainers and brexiteers so it can't get through hoping their will be another referendum. next time the options will be go back to being run by EU or be worse off as the EU says we can't just be trade partners without be politically tied. what I don't understand is why Labour who are supposed to support the working classes want to remain in a political union which allows cheap labour to come and take our jobs, not that it will affect the young who are able to earn loads of money after going to university which labour are going to provide free for everyone including everybody who now lives in the EU, but who is going to pay for it?

The only major economies that insist you have a bachelors degree to get a job filing, then rinse their young people for the privilege of acquiring one are the US and the UK.

Unless speaking English confers some automatic mental disability that means you can't run trains on time or educate people that you need to be educated, we can manage as well as Germany or Sweden.

Germany doesn't have a single top 50 university yet manages to produce incredibly competent multi-lingual graduates that are at the forefront of the global economy, every year. Germans pay nothing, or next to nothing for tuition fees, but they also have a society that doesn't lionise being some kind of useless parasitic layabout like a buy to let landlord, a banker, or the wife of a footballer.

And I'm not racist against old people.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn is happy to meet with leaders of Sinn Fein or Hezbollah. Yet cannot act in a grown up way on behalf of the country he purports to represent.

Sends his clueless lackey onto BBC's Question Time. Dianne Abbott negotiating with the EU. The thought sends shivers down my spine.

I fail to see how Diane could do a worse job than anyone Theresa May has sent to Europe. In a game of Top Trumps she is brighter than Theresa May and Boris Johnson combined, not a heartless anachronistic religious zealot like Jacob Rees-Mogg, and presumably wouldn't sabotage an agreement she spent 2 years creating by announcing loudly in the press that the person who created it must be incompetent, like Liam Fox.

BucksLady

Arklight wrote: »

I fail to see how Diane could do a worse job than anyone Theresa May has sent to Europe. In a game of Top Trumps she is brighter than Theresa May and Boris Johnson combined



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Yes, she went to Cambridge. However, that doesn't mean she is brighter than two politicians combined. To suggest that is the case is rather odd.

lisyloo

Arklight wrote: »

I fail to see how Diane could do a worse job than anyone Theresa May has sent to Europe. In a game of Top Trumps she is brighter than Theresa May and Boris Johnson combined, not a heartless anachronistic religious zealot like Jacob Rees-Mogg, and presumably wouldn't sabotage an agreement she spent 2 years creating by announcing loudly in the press that the person who created it must be incompetent, like Liam Fox.

She’s a laughing stock amongst everyone I know.
Her and Corbyn are the reason most people I know would not vote labour including a lot of forces personnel who constantly refer to picture of Corbyn with Gerry Adams.

I am inclined towards some of labours policies and would consider voting that way if someone like Chukka was in charge but Diane Abbot is a laughing stock.

If she is bright then she’s done a poor job of showing it.

MrAPJI

On last weeks 'Question Time', Diane A managed to avoid every question put before her and made little sense in what she did say. I'm afraid there are times when she appears to have 'lost the plot' entirely.

Enterprise_1701C

All MP'S from all parties should tell the people the truth about the Lisbon Treaty and what will happen if we don't Leave the EU. ..Google it for yourselves. ... !
Borrowed this from another post. Read and BELIEVE! If you Have any doubts about leaving the Corrupt EU and its corrupt unelected Beurocrats of Brussels this will make you change your mind to #LEAVEMEANSLEAVE

What will actually happen if we stay in the EU and has already been agreed. Check it out if you wish:
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

This is the future what the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatonsAll MP'S from all parties should tell the people the truth about the Lisbon Treaty and what will happen if we don't Leave the EU. ..Google it for yourse

Arklight

lisyloo wrote: »

She’s a laughing stock amongst everyone I know.
Her and Corbyn are the reason most people I know would not vote labour including a lot of forces personnel who constantly refer to picture of Corbyn with Gerry Adams.

I am inclined towards some of labours policies and would consider voting that way if someone like Chukka was in charge but Diane Abbot is a laughing stock.

If she is bright then she’s done a poor job of showing it.

Much of the "laughing stock" axiom about Abbott is down to uninterrogated racism with a nice side serving of misogyny. The Abbott haters are often saying more about themselves than they are about Diane Abbott.

As a professional she was top of her inner city class, as a black working class woman who was the child of immigrants, she got into Cambridge on merit, rather than daddy bunging a 6 figure sum to the admissions committee, and was then fast tracked into the civil service.

She's been returned to Parliament by her constituents, with an overwhelming majority, since 1987.

Substantive allegations have been made that the warm up in Question Time already was biased against her, and watching the programme shows she was interrupted by the host and the other panellists far more than anyone else.

It's easy to call people stupid when you make them look stupid, which is all the media appears to do with Abbott.

I am not saying she is perfect as an MP or an orator but the "gaffes" she makes are no worse than any other white male politician with a plummy accent. The difference is that they are forgotten whereas Abbott's are still being talked about years later.

Boris Johnson has made so many I am doubtful he can count to ten unaided, yet for some he is a legitimate Prime Minister in waiting.

It's said that in Britain a black woman needs to be twice as good to go half as far as a white man. The UK's treatment of it's first black female MP certainly proves that.

StevieJ

lisyloo wrote: »

She’s a laughing stock amongst everyone I know.
Her and Corbyn are the reason most people I know would not vote labour including a lot of forces personnel who constantly refer to picture of Corbyn with Gerry Adams.

I am inclined towards some of labours policies and would consider voting that way if someone like Chukka was in charge but Diane Abbot is a laughing stock.

If she is bright then she’s done a poor job of showing it.

I think Keir Starmer is the man to lead Labour. The sooner the better.