Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Malthusian

So I guess Monday will be the day Remain holds a second referendum then?

No, I guess not. They may be prone to the odd bit of wishful thinking but they're not completely thick.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

According to Toynbee, Saturday is the tipping point where enough elderly leavers have died as for the ones still hanging on to be outnumbered by young Remainers.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/saturday-uk-remain-parliament-force-second-referendum

If you're relying on these young Remainers, don't schedule the next referendum alongside the next series of Love Island.

I hear there is going to be some tasty group action, and it might be difficult for them to tear themselves away.

mayonnaise

Arklight wrote: »

According to Toynbee, Saturday is the tipping point where enough elderly leavers have died as for the ones still hanging on to be outnumbered by young Remainers.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/saturday-uk-remain-parliament-force-second-referendum

Yay. The day when 'brexit is the will of the people' turns into 'brexit used to be the will of the people'.

I'll be popping a bottle of Krug Grande Cuvee to mark the occasion.

BucksLady

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yay. The day when 'brexit is the will of the people' turns into 'brexit used to be the will of the people'.

It just isn't going to happen. The Tories will want to 'hang on to their seats' and ultimately won't do anything to jeopardise that position. The Labour Party haven't any trump cards to play. We are heading for Brexit, whatever form that may take.......

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

If you're relying on these young Remainers, don't schedule the next referendum alongside the next series of Love Island.

I hear there is going to be some tasty group action, and it might be difficult for them to tear themselves away.

The point I realised that Remain had lost wasn't after the vote. It was when the polling station opened and I popped over before work.

Despite only just opening, there was a line of decrepit old pensioners already queuing up to vote the country out of an economic union that they're done nothing but benefit from for decades, and from which they would be completely insulated from the pain of leaving.

I suddenly realised that it would be the same all over England, and that was us out.

Hopefully the young will be a bit more diligent about voting for their own interests in future. The success of Corbyn suggests they might be.

johnelectrical

there was a line of decrepit old pensioners already queuing up
sound like your racist, I mean ageist, against people with more life experience than you
yes I am old, but if I thought staying in would benefit my children more than me I would have voted to remain, unlike you who only listen to the propaganda of panic. house prices will not go down because we live in a world on supply and demand, so as soon as all the panic peddlers get proven wrong it will all go back to normal.
may is a remainer, she came back with a deal that is unacceptable to both remainers and brexiteers so it can't get through hoping their will be another referendum. next time the options will be go back to being run by EU or be worse off as the EU says we can't just be trade partners without be politically tied. what I don't understand is why Labour who are supposed to support the working classes want to remain in a political union which allows cheap labour to come and take our jobs, not that it will affect the young who are able to earn loads of money after going to university which labour are going to provide free for everyone including everybody who now lives in the EU, but who is going to pay for it?

BikingBud

Arklight wrote: »

The success of Corbyn suggests they might be.

Did I fall asleep and miss something? I' m sure that he is not sure what he wants!

LHW99

yes I am old, but if I thought staying in would benefit my children more than me I would have voted to remain

I can agree with that, and also add that myself / OH have had experience wotking in academia, education, industry, Government-run organisations and have run our own business. We have worked with partners in Europe, America and Asia, and both support Leave.
I venture to say that is more general world experience than many 20 / 30-somethings.

andrewf75

I wish people would cut out the ageism (both ways). There are clever and stupid people of all ages – and everything in between – and life experience counts as both a positive and a negative. Often the wisdom of old age can be cancelled out by resistance to change and bitterness.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

The point I realised that Remain had lost wasn't after the vote. It was when the polling station opened and I popped over before work.

Despite only just opening, there was a line of decrepit old pensioners already queuing up to vote the country out of an economic union that they're done nothing but benefit from for decades, and from which they would be completely insulated from the pain of leaving.

I suddenly realised that it would be the same all over England, and that was us out.

Hopefully the young will be a bit more diligent about voting for their own interests in future. The success of Corbyn suggests they might be.

I have elderly friends who consulted their children regarding how they should vote because they knew it was going to affect them and their grandchildren far more than their generation.


In today's Times evidence that Liam Fox is still working on all those deals.....apparently!
“Britain has failed to finalise most trade deals needed to replace the EU’s 40 existing agreements with leading global economies and will not be close to doing so when Brexit occurs on March 29, according to an internal Whitehall memorandum.
The memo, compiled by civil servants as part of contingency planning for the UK crashing out of the EU without a formal Brussels divorce agreement, warned that most of the deals would lapse without a transition period that keeps Britain under the EU umbrella once Brexit occurs.
“Almost none of them are ready to go now and none will be ready to go by March,” said one government official who has seen the internal analysis of the Department of International Trade’s progress.”