Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

To a degree a solution is being sought for a problem that doesn't exist.

mayonnaise

From 'The Hulk to 'The Invisible Man' in less than 48 hours. :rotfl:

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

Should be automatic upon changing party allegiance.

Why? You voted for the MP, not the party they stood for. At least that is what you're supposed to do.

In fact it's that very argument is why we have FPP rather than PR.

The current conservative voter seems to hold two conflicting views.

1. We MUST have FPP because we always elect an MP and not a party.
2. If my MP changes party then we MUST have a new MP, because we voted for the party & not the MP.

Sounds kinda difficult to solve right? I'm all for PR, although I would say that withdrawing the whip shouldn't be enough to trigger another election.

BikingBud wrote: »

But what is you feeling about MPs that turn their backs on the voting public?

Your sense of entitlement is making you play the victim and then seeing everyone as an enemy. It's not really your fault, it's how you've been conditioned by the establishment. No MPs have turned their backs on the voting public, that is an incorrect and dangerous suggestion.

The ERG and BJ have lied consistently to you however, but that isn't turning their backs on you.

Moby

mayonnaise wrote: »

From 'The Hulk to 'The Invisible Man' in less than 48 hours. :rotfl:

I just can't believe that Boris Johnson is our Prime Minister... I mean every day the man opens his mouth and lies. It seems the best we can hope for now is May's deal re-heated with perhaps some tinkering on the backstop. All the years of division and hate and that's what we end up with.....seriously was it worth it?

angrypirate

phillw wrote: »

Why? You voted for the MP, not the party they stood for. At least that is what you're supposed to do.

In fact it's that very argument is why we have FPP rather than PR.

The current conservative voter seems to hold two conflicting views.

1. We MUST have FPP because we always elect an MP and not a party.
2. If my MP changes party then we MUST have a new MP, because we voted for the party & not the MP.

Sounds kinda difficult to solve right? I'm all for PR, although I would say that withdrawing the whip shouldn't be enough to trigger another election.



Your sense of entitlement is making you play the victim and then seeing everyone as an enemy. It's not really your fault, it's how you've been conditioned by the establishment. No MPs have turned their backs on the voting public, that is an incorrect and dangerous suggestion.

The ERG and BJ have lied consistently to you however, but that isn't turning their backs on you.

They stood on the party's manifesto.
Anna Sourbry, Heidi Allen, Philip Lee, Sarah Wollaston ALL STOOD ON THE TORY MANIFESTO OF NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL. They are now standing for a party who want to revoke article 50 without a referendum. Shame on all of them. And I place money on all of them loosing their seats at the next General Election.

At least the Tory MPs who defected to UKIP had the decency to call a by election.

And can you tell me the lies coming from the ERG and BJ? Coz so far it seems that whenever someone on the remain side lies about trying to revoke article 50 despite having said they will deliver on the result, its ok. But Boris and the ERG trying to deliver a proper Brexit, (not some cooked up BrINO) well they are just liars.

Sailtheworld

angrypirate wrote: »

And can you tell me the lies coming from the ERG and BJ? Coz so far it seems that whenever someone on the remain side lies about trying to revoke article 50 despite having said they will deliver on the result, its ok. But Boris and the ERG trying to deliver a proper Brexit, (not some cooked up BrINO) well they are just liars.

If you Google 'Boris Johnson lies' quite a selection appear.

He can't be trusted.

As for the ERG - why not start with the name - they're not a research group.

mayonnaise

Moby wrote: »

I just can't believe that Boris Johnson is our Prime Minister... I mean every day the man opens his mouth and lies. It seems the best we can hope for now is May's deal re-heated with perhaps some tinkering on the backstop. All the years of division and hate and that's what we end up with.....seriously was it worth it?

No of course not, but the some of the photoshops on twitter are quite funny. :rotfl:

phillw

angrypirate wrote: »

And can you tell me the lies coming from the ERG and BJ? Coz so far it seems that whenever someone on the remain side lies about trying to revoke article 50 despite having said they will deliver on the result, its ok. But Boris and the ERG trying to deliver a proper Brexit, (not some cooked up BrINO) well they are just liars.

You're confused between people who have changed their mind in light of new evidence and people who are purposefully misleading you on their intentions.

I accept that your anger is likely what has facilitated your confusion.

angrypirate

Sailtheworld wrote: »

If you Google 'Boris Johnson lies' quite a selection appear.

He can't be trusted.

As for the ERG - why not start with the name - they're not a research group.

Hes a politician - can any of them be trusted?

But seriously, do I think hes a liar because he promoted 350million on a bus without saying "gross" instead of quoting a net figure? Lets flip it on its head - how about Corbyn "I have never met with the IRA" - oh but pictures of me with known IRA members dont count.

ERG - perhaps you need to do research. They were originally set up in the 90s by Eurosceptic Tories (in the true sceptic sense) to research how integration in the EU was affecting the UK.

angrypirate

phillw wrote: »

You're confused between people who have changed their mind in light of new evidence and people who are purposefully misleading you on their intentions.

I accept that your anger is likely what has facilitated your confusion.

If what they stand for has changed then they should call a by-election to ensure they have the confidence of their constituents. But guess what? They know they would lose.