Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

adindas wrote: »

The impact of no-deal Brexit on the UK is far less than the world war.

While Total UK deaths in WWII were about 1% of the 1939 population is there any casualty with brexit ??

So what are you concluding from this? A no-deal brexit won't be as bad as WWII so everything's fine?

It's a logical fallacy which is so special it has its own name. It's called the Adindas Fallacy.

Forget the references to WWII, the Blitz and Dunkirk - they really have no part in the brexit debate.

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

Nobody cares what you accept or don't, as a country we have been doing this for decades for most non-EU immigrants.

Yes, I noticed during the referendum that leavers were delighted with the control of non-EU immigration.

Conina wrote: »

It's not allowed by the EU that's why, any actions must apply to everybody so if they did then it could adversely affect UK citizens.

What's the problem of reducing in-work benefits for UK citizens when I've just been told they are over-generous and attracting the 'wrong' sort of immigrant. Seems like a win win.

adindas

Takedap wrote: »

So it actually is the best argument you've got. I wish I had your faith.

The people of Ireland will deal with it just like the British. No-one has suggested that it will be the end of the world. The difference is that the Irish will have had it forced on them. We (or rather "You") have volunteered for it.

You do not need to have a faith like I have. Similar to not all people need to have the same knowledge than others.

Do you actually have knowledge to what you are talking about ??

Ireland used to have a good chance to veto the WA and they still hold the card now.

The current WA is not final. Ireland still have the power to veto the "final brexit deal". They have the choice to make. If you follow the actual problem with Irish border is actually caused by Varadkar and Co. who want to be used as a pawn by the EU. With No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

In The current WA will see the UK to be tied up to the EU, to become a subservient of the EU and to be kept to become a cash cow indefinitely.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

adindas

Sailtheworld wrote: »

So what are you concluding from this? A no-deal brexit won't be as bad as WWII so everything's fine?

It's a logical fallacy which is so special it has its own name. It's called the Adindas Fallacy.

Forget the references to WWII, the Blitz and Dunkirk - they really have no part in the brexit debate.

UK have no other option than to leave with no deal if the EU will not budge with the WA.

The current WA will see the UK to be tied up to the EU, to become a subservient of the EU under ECJ and to be kept to become a cash cow indefinitely.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term). As you also already acknowledge, the no-deal brexit won't be as bad as WWII. The impact is even no where near and it is just a short term impact.

Also with No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

mayonnaise

adindas wrote: »

85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

adindas wrote: »

85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

adindas wrote: »

85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

Can somebody fix AutoSergei please? He's gone into a repeat loop.

adindas

mayonnaise wrote: »

Can somebody fix AutoSergei please? He's gone into a repeat loop.

Opps That is confused.com
It is Adindas here not Sergei

Sailtheworld

adindas wrote: »

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

So I've got a choice between no-deal and WWIII / a lifetime of blood sucking / total humiliation?

You win - I'd definitely choose no-deal. Seriously, look up logical fallacies.

adindas wrote: »

As you also already acknowledge, the no-deal brexit won't be as bad as WWII. The impact is even is just a short term.

Yes, I've acknowledged that I don't think a no-deal brexit will be as bad as WWII.

I don't think driving into a wall at 60mph would be as bad as having a bath in bleach, rolling in salt & finally setting myself on fire. Just in case you still haven't got the point this isn't a recommendation to go out and drive into a brick wall.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Well yes, I already agreed with you that some EU nationals will be net contributors while other need subsidising. But as a whole, on average, EU nationals are net contributors.
Not really sure what you're squabbling over.

I’m not squabbling.
In response to another poster I made a comment on Eastern European EU migrants and you somewhat muddied the waters by introducing other EU migrants into the conversation. It’s my prediction that in the event of Brexit that part of EU migration that is a drain on the UK finances will reduce greatly and the part that isn’t and pays for the subsidy won’t.
Considering EU workers claim circa £4bn in welfare, then that should be a welcomes boost to the UK’s coffers.

Tromking

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Given you think the problem would be solved by a reduction of the 'over generous' in-work benefits and this is entirely under the government's control why haven't they done anything about it?

The EU’s FOM rules dictate that EU citizens cannot be treated any different to home workers. I don’t see why our citizens should lose out because our generous benefits system are a huge draw for EU migrants.
Cameron knew this of course, hence he asked in vain for a ‘brake’ on inward EU migration, he warned that Brexit might result but they still fooked him off anyway.
Hey ho.

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

Food rationing in the UK continued until 9 years after the war finished.


Maybe this the type of short-term pain that you are suggesting would be a successful outcome to Brexit?


Mind You, it's better than the 50 years that Jacob Rees-Mogg said that it might take before we knew the full implications.