Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

Takedap wrote: »

"Vote for Brexit. It's better than being at war"

Really?? That's the best you can do?

We come a long way...from sunlit uplands to Operation Yellowhammer. :rotfl:

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

The poster only cited Eastern European’s I think, the last article I saw on the subject stated that Eastern European EU migrants pay less income tax and claim more in in-work benefits than U.K. workers

No doubt. Some EU nationals will be net contributors, some will not. But on balance, the fiscal impact is positive.
It's the same with natives really. Some will be net contributors, others won't. No big deal.

Takedap

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Total UK deaths in WWII were about 1% of the 1939 population (according to Wikipedia). A no-deal brexit won't be that bad.

What do you think this proves other than it won't be as bad as the worst thing you could think of?

And the "Spirit of the Blitz" was mostly propaganda & myth too. The realities were fear, horror & desolation.



Fondly remembered either long after the events or by people who weren't actually there.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

No doubt. Some EU nationals will be net contributors, some will not. But on balance, the fiscal impact is positive.
It's the same with natives really. Some will be net contributors, others won't. No big deal.

The most likely impact of Brexit is that low skilled EU migration will drop considerably and the higher end will see little or no change. There’s a whole load of difference between some French fella working in the City for lucrative reward and someone getting his residency in the U.K. subsidised by our over generous (by EU standards) non contributory in work benefits system.
As a progressive you should be suspicious of business dripping about the loss of unfettered low skilled immigration, but inexplicably you’d rather talk about the “natives”.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

The most likely impact of Brexit is that low skilled EU migration will drop considerably and the higher end will see little or no change. There’s a whole load of difference between some French fella working in the City for lucrative reward and someone getting his residency in the U.K. subsidised by our over generous (by EU standards) non contributory in work benefits system.
As a progressive you should be suspicious of business dripping about the loss of unfettered low skilled immigration, but inexplicably you’d rather talk about the “natives”.

I don't accept the premise that the government can, ahead of time, determine which foreigners will make a positive contribution in an efficient manner and without a shedload of unintended consequences.

Given you think the problem would be solved by a reduction of the 'over generous' in-work benefits and this is entirely under the government's control why haven't they done anything about it?

Conina

It looks very much like hardened remainers are so busy squabbling about what they should do that it's creating bigger divisions among them than Brexit has created in the entire country but at least they are united in wanting to keep Corbyn away from any form of power.

Almost half of British voters would prefer the country to leave the European Union without a Brexit deal and Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn not to become prime minister, according to a YouGov poll.

https://www.politico.eu/article/half-uk-voters-back-no-deal-brexit-and-no-pm-corbyn/

Leave voters are more determined to get a no deal Brexit than Remain voters are to take a second referendum that comes with Corbyn attached

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/17/48-35-britons-would-rather-have-no-deal-and-no-cor

adindas

Takedap wrote: »

"Vote for Brexit. It's better than being at war"

Really?? That's the best you can do?

Really?? Really?? (I double it)
And this is the best you could come up with ????

The impact of no-deal Brexit on the UK is far less than the world war.

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Total UK deaths in WWII were about 1% of the 1939 population (according to Wikipedia). A no-deal brexit won't be that bad.

What do you think this proves other than it won't be as bad as the worst thing you could think of?

While Total UK deaths in WWII were about 1% of the 1939 population is there any casualty with brexit ??

Also Keep in mind With No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

Conina

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I don't accept the premise that the government can, ahead of time, determine which foreigners will make a positive contribution in an efficient manner and without a shedload of unintended consequences.

Nobody cares what you accept or don't, as a country we have been doing this for decades for most non-EU immigrants.

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Given you think the problem would be solved by a reduction of the 'over generous' in-work benefits and this is entirely under the government's control why haven't they done anything about it?

It's not allowed by the EU that's why, any actions must apply to everybody so if they did then it could adversely affect UK citizens.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

There’s a whole load of difference between some French fella working in the City for lucrative reward and someone getting his residency in the U.K. subsidised by our over generous (by EU standards) non contributory in work benefits system.

Well yes, I already agreed with you that some EU nationals will be net contributors while other need subsidising. But as a whole, on average, EU nationals are net contributors.
Not really sure what you're squabbling over.

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

Really?? Really?? (I double it)
And this is the best you could come up with ????



Also Keep in mind With No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

So it actually is the best argument you've got. I wish I had your faith.


The people of Ireland will deal with it just like the British. No-one has suggested that it will be the end of the world. The difference is that the Irish will have had it forced on them. We (or rather "You") have volunteered for it.