Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Conina

Theophile wrote: »

Makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if Prime Minister Cummings is behind these 'leaks' we're all supposed to be concerned about.

It might make sense were it not for the surefire certainty that no Brexit = no Johnson (or Cummings;) in the future, because the only reason that he's got the job is because he promised Brexit and even he surely knows that without Brexit both he and his entire party are finished in the UK for a long time.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Johnson is attempting to manipulate the Remain side of the argument into doing his bidding, i.e. to block a no deal brexit. Here is an interesting article that puts the flesh on the bones of this strategy. I must say this has broadly been my personal view since Boris and his puppetmaster Cummings were elected recently.

"Remain" seem intent on a do or die strategy. Rather than focus on the job in hand.

Corbyn seems to be on election trail already............

Takedap

Conina wrote: »

It might make sense were it not for the surefire certainty that no Brexit = no Johnson (or Cummings;) in the future, because the only reason that he's got the job is because he promised Brexit and even he surely knows that without Brexit both he and his entire party are finished in the UK for a long time.

And if he delivers a disastrous Brexit, they're finished forever.

Tromking

Sailtheworld wrote: »

You said the benefits system was over-generous and have downgraded that to generous - I did notice you know? A nice subtle re-framing because there's no reason why Brits should get over-generous benefits.

No such subtle re-framing, I said that our welfare system by EU standards was over generous when it came to EU migrants.
I stand by my view.

Herzlos

Crashy_Time wrote: »

He will lose too many votes to the BP for this to be plausible, too many people have had enough of the stalling and undermining of democracy, without Brexit first he won`t be around long IMO.

He's not going to be around long if he does leave on wto terms either.
What makes his buddies most money?

Crashy_Time

Herzlos wrote: »

He's not going to be around long if he does leave on wto terms either.
What makes his buddies most money?

Having a conservative government? They have more chance of clinging on if they get Brexit done though IMO, most people will then shift back to voting on actual policy leaving the most crazed remainers to just scream and shout and vote Lib Dem (when we win) although I think it is daft to discount Corbyn as he could still win an election IMO.

phillw

Crashy_Time wrote: »

They have more chance of clinging on if they get Brexit done though IMO

It's not that clear cut, they could try blaming all the effects of brexit on the remainers but I'm not sure there are enough gullible people. The leavers only had to commit fraud to swing one vote, the conservatives will have to win vote after vote to stay in power.

There will be a lot of people who wake up and realise they were missold & they are going to be annoyed for a very long time.

Sailtheworld wrote: »

So I've got a choice between no-deal and WWIII / a lifetime of blood sucking / total humiliation?

If you voted leave then you brought a lifetime of total humiliation on yourself. Are you as xenophobic as your post suggests?

Sailtheworld wrote: »

You win - I'd definitely choose no-deal. Seriously, look up logical fallacies.

I know what a logical fallacy is, it seems you aren't able to recognize one (along with 52% of people who voted in the EU referendum).

Tromking wrote: »

There is no automatic right to access in work benefits for RoW migrants.

That is only a positive for xenophobes though & you should understand why by now.

Arklight

Social media showing people who changed money at the post office today who are receiving €1.01 for £1.

Well done Brexiters. We've joined the euro.

Maybe when the £ falls to parity with the US dollar reality will begin to dawn on leave cultists.

gfplux

If Britain were to leave with the withdrawal/transition/political understanding DEAL the EU are committed to sitting down almost immediately to negotiate a trade deal.

If Britain leaves without a deal then why would the EU sit down with Britain at all. The economic damage to 27 countries and Jobs has/is already happening. Will there be a political bonus for Macron, Merkel, Varadkar and others to bend the knee to Britain and urge a swift trade deal be put in place?

AG47

It’s either hard brexit no deal, or do a deal with labour. And if it’s the second option these will be implemented

Increase tax rates on higher rates of income.
• Levy an annual wealth tax on the richest section of the population.
• Impose a ‘Robin Hood’ tax on City financial transactions.
• Increase the rate of corporation tax on the profits of large companies.
• Place a windfall tax on monopoly profits in specific industries as necessary.
• Close all tax havens under British jurisdiction.
• Implement deep cuts in VAT on essential goods and services.
• Replace the council tax by local income, wealth, land and property taxes based clearly on the ability to pay.
• Renegotiate and, where appropriate, cancel Private Finance Initiative (PFI) contracts in order to eliminate excessive corporate profiteering.
• Cut British military spending and end all state subsidies for armaments exports.
• Control movements of capital in and out of Britain.
Over time, as inequalities in income and wealth are eroded, economic growth would provide more of the basis for increased tax revenues.