Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Zero_Sum

AG47 wrote: »

It’s either hard brexit no deal, or do a deal with labour. And if it’s the second option these will be implemented

Increase tax rates on higher rates of income.
• Levy an annual wealth tax on the richest section of the population.
• Impose a ‘Robin Hood’ tax on City financial transactions.
• Increase the rate of corporation tax on the profits of large companies.
• Place a windfall tax on monopoly profits in specific industries as necessary.
• Close all tax havens under British jurisdiction.
• Implement deep cuts in VAT on essential goods and services.
• Replace the council tax by local income, wealth, land and property taxes based clearly on the ability to pay.
• Renegotiate and, where appropriate, cancel Private Finance Initiative (PFI) contracts in order to eliminate excessive corporate profiteering.
• Cut British military spending and end all state subsidies for armaments exports.
• Control movements of capital in and out of Britain.
Over time, as inequalities in income and wealth are eroded, economic growth would provide more of the basis for increased tax revenues.

Any deal with Labour would in effect mean creating a national government (which would have include a few Tory rebels for tge numbers to work)
There is no way Labour would get many of its policies through. And Id go as far as to say, any national government would be there only to deal with Brexit then a GE straight after.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

No such subtle re-framing, I said that our welfare system by EU standards was over generous when it came to EU migrants.
I stand by my view.

Of course you do because it allows you to reject the idea that the UK government had/ has any control over EU immigration. You've been ignored by government and voted Brexit to protest.

You're still being ignored so what's next?

Tromking

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Of course you do because it allows you to reject the idea that the UK government had/ has any control over EU immigration. You've been ignored by government and voted Brexit to protest.

You're still being ignored so what's next?

Ignored?
There’s a fair chance that FOM will end on the 1st November, I’m happy with that TBH.
I’m not saying that the U.K.government had no power to end EU immigration, I’m saying that we had to either leave the EU or fundamentally change our welfare system to make it less of a draw for inward EU migrants to end or limit it.
What part of that viewpoint are you failing to grasp?

Enterprise_1701C

Zero_Sum wrote: »

Any deal with Labour would in effect mean creating a national government (which would have include a few Tory rebels for tge numbers to work)
There is no way Labour would get many of its policies through. And Id go as far as to say, any national government would be there only to deal with Brexit then a GE straight after.

Not attacking you Zero Sum, simply more pleasant quoting you than people that believe Corbyn would be good for the country, people that think that list would be a good idea.

Corbyn SAYS he would postpone Brexit and then call a GE. He says it would be a time limited government. BUT he does not say how time limited, he states nothing of time scales. I do not believe he would leave willingly before 2022, he would do anything to get into power. If he was allowed in he would wreck the country. Annual wealth tax? Seriously? Anyone that would be covered by that would leave the country, and we have several clients that would simply close their houses here and disappear to various places such as South Africa and the like.

As for the PFI contracts, the vast majority were taken out under labour, they wanted to look like they were doing something when they could not afford it.

The only one on AG47's list that is any good would be the VAT cuts, everything else is designed to send the country right down the pan. As for Replacing the council tax by local income, wealth, land and property taxes based clearly on the ability to pay, those would not be based on the ability to pay, they would be based on the size of the land owned. That does not equate to ability to pay, that equates to long years of paying a mortgage, getting to the stage where you have actually paid it and then being bankrupted by labour because of the politics of envy, the communist within Khorbyn does not want people to have privately owned houses (or cars come to that if you look up a Corbyn think tank ) https://www.petrolprices.com/news/privately-owned-cars-should-be-banned-by-2030-says-pro-corbyn-think-tank/

movilogo

UK government had/ has any control over EU immigration

This statement comes often, so let us see what it means

The actual EU directive is like this

Where admission is permitted, an EU citizen may remain in the UK for up to three months from the date of entry, provided they do not become a burden on the social assistance system of the UK.

If an EU citizen does not meet one of the requirements for residence set out in the Directive [employed, self-employed, self-sufficient, student] then they will not have a right to reside in the UK and may be removed.

But the problem is, implementing this is not easy. EU migrants can take advantage of NHS from day 1. You may argue Britons are also eligible for free treatment in EU as reciprocation but as there are 4 million EU citienzens in UK compared to 1 million Britons in EU, it is skewed against UK anyway.

They should not be allowed to claim any benefits but that was UK govt's failure to tackle.

Removal of EU migrants is not easy unless they have committed serious crimes like murder etc. The human rights lawyers can easily prove EU migrants are not burden to the UK.

Nothing prevents 10 EU migrants to stay in 1-bed flat, work in cash based gig economy and suppress local wage.

It is far easier to control EU migrants before they arrive here, that is same way as non-EU nationals are controled. They need a work permit before start to work in UK.

UK has no control to stop EU nationals at the border. It is far easier to stop someone at border rather than deport after someone enters inside UK.

UK is different from other EU countries are our language is English which half of the world speaks. Migrants are far likely to settle in other EU countries compared to UK. Also, UK has huge non-EU migration as well.

Granted govt could always control non-EU migration which they decided no do. But one wrong doing does not make another wrong right.

Immigration should be controlled - both EU and non-EU on that matter.

buglawton

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Not attacking you Zero Sum, simply more pleasant quoting you than people that believe Corbyn would be good for the country, people that think that list would be a good idea.

Corbyn SAYS he would postpone Brexit and then call a GE. He says it would be a time limited government. BUT he does not say how time limited, he states nothing of time scales. I do not believe he would leave willingly before 2022, he would do anything to get into power. If he was allowed in he would wreck the country. Annual wealth tax? Seriously? Anyone that would be covered by that would leave the country, and we have several clients that would simply close their houses here and disappear to various places such as South Africa and the like.

As for the PFI contracts, the vast majority were taken out under labour, they wanted to look like they were doing something when they could not afford it.

The only one on AG47's list that is any good would be the VAT cuts, everything else is designed to send the country right down the pan. As for Replacing the council tax by local income, wealth, land and property taxes based clearly on the ability to pay, those would not be based on the ability to pay, they would be based on the size of the land owned. That does not equate to ability to pay, that equates to long years of paying a mortgage, getting to the stage where you have actually paid it and then being bankrupted by labour because of the politics of envy, the communist within Khorbyn does not want people to have privately owned houses (or cars come to that if you look up a Corbyn think tank ) https://www.petrolprices.com/news/privately-owned-cars-should-be-banned-by-2030-says-pro-corbyn-think-tank/

If Corbyn gets in I'm hoping to emigrate to Cuba for a more libertarian lifestyle.

buglawton

Tromking wrote: »

Ignored?
There’s a fair chance that FOM will end on the 1st November, I’m happy with that TBH.
I’m not saying that the U.K.government had no power to end EU immigration, I’m saying that we had to either leave the EU or fundamentally change our welfare system to make it less of a draw for inward EU migrants to end or limit it.
What part of that viewpoint are you failing to grasp?

Sudden loss of access to the EU 27 criminal records will mean the UK has no other choice. In every move post Nov 1st, the UK will need to be loudly pointing out whos foot the boot is actually on.

AG47

buglawton wrote: »

If Corbyn gets in I'm hoping to emigrate to Cuba for a more libertarian lifestyle.

You will still have to pay tax in the uk

Tromking

movilogo wrote: »

They should not be allowed to claim any benefits but that was UK govt's failure to tackle.

This is less about the benefits EU migrants were precluded from claiming (unemployment benefits etc) but more about those they had every right (under FOM rules) to claim like tax credits, child benefit, housing allowance etc. Just like it does for our own workers it incentivised the taking and creation of part time low wage jobs simply in order to access in work benefits. When big U.K. companies were tailoring their employee attendance patterns to suit a workforce dependent on in work benefits, you know it’s a racket.
No wonder EU migrants were adding circa £4bn to the U.K. welfare bill.
The U.K. is better than this.

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Not attacking you Zero Sum, simply more pleasant quoting you than people that believe Corbyn would be good for the country, people that think that list would be a good idea.

Corbyn SAYS he would postpone Brexit and then call a GE. He says it would be a time limited government. BUT he does not say how time limited, he states nothing of time scales. I do not believe he would leave willingly before 2022, he would do anything to get into power. If he was allowed in he would wreck the country. Annual wealth tax? Seriously? Anyone that would be covered by that would leave the country, and we have several clients that would simply close their houses here and disappear to various places such as South Africa and the like.

As for the PFI contracts, the vast majority were taken out under labour, they wanted to look like they were doing something when they could not afford it.

The only one on AG47's list that is any good would be the VAT cuts, everything else is designed to send the country right down the pan. As for Replacing the council tax by local income, wealth, land and property taxes based clearly on the ability to pay, those would not be based on the ability to pay, they would be based on the size of the land owned. That does not equate to ability to pay, that equates to long years of paying a mortgage, getting to the stage where you have actually paid it and then being bankrupted by labour because of the politics of envy, the communist within Khorbyn does not want people to have privately owned houses (or cars come to that if you look up a Corbyn think tank ) https://www.petrolprices.com/news/privately-owned-cars-should-be-banned-by-2030-says-pro-corbyn-think-tank/

The argument that tax dodging rich people will leave the UK if they are made to pay tax therefore mustn't be asked to or they'll leave and go and not pay tax elsewhere is a non sequitur.

The majority of people in the UK would be better off under a Corbyn government running the country for them (with a functioning, funded NHS, education, and transport network) , rather than for the benefit of a comparative handful of super wealthy tax cheating Tory supporting billionaires and their hangers on.

Which is why the mostly foreign Tory supporting tax cheating billionaires who own our media are putting such a lot of effort into the anti-Corbyn smear campaign.

Your think-tank anti car story is silly.