Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

ukcarper wrote: »

Things have certainly taken a step backwards which could have been avoided if Labour had accepted May's deal.

Labour didn't support it because they sensed an opportunity for a general election.

The Tories didn't support it because they sensed an opportunity for a leadership campaign.

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether Theresa May was negotiating knowing it wouldn't be supported or whether she was oblivious to the fact that it wouldn't be supported. Neither is a good look for a PM.

The irony is, if there is a withdrawal deal, it'll look remarkably similar to the deal already on the table. The contents were never the real issue; only the background circumstances under which it was negotiated.

Sailtheworld

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

No, that backstop was designed to stop us in our tracks, not to protect Ireland.

I think most people who passionately oppose the backstop are simply parroting what the people who they support tell them to say. I expect they have only a loose grasp of Irish history and politics and haven't read the withdrawal deal they hate so much.

It's all a bit tribal. We've seen it time and time again during this process. Nobody had heard of Article 50 but strangely the way they thought we should proceed mirrored that of their though leaders, same with WTO terms and the way a no-deal exit has been turned into the will of the people.

ukcarper

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Labour didn't support it because they sensed an opportunity for a general election.

The Tories didn't support it because they sensed an opportunity for a leadership campaign.

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether Theresa May was negotiating knowing it wouldn't be supported or whether she was oblivious to the fact that it wouldn't be supported. Neither is a good look for a PM.

The irony is, if there is a withdrawal deal, it'll look remarkably similar to the deal already on the table. The contents were never the real issue; only the background circumstances under which it was negotiated.

I think you are correct about Labour, but although a leadership campaign was the result of Tories and would have been welcomed by many in Tory party the ERG were apposed to backstop.

Tromking

triathlon wrote: »

Talk about a self inflicted deep wound. The EU have given us some of the best workers since the old days back in the 1950's and the influx of the tough hard working Irish moving over, and as far as I am concerned and with all the Polish and Czechs I have had as tenants, everyone paid on time and were 100% respectful and decent people.

A probable direct beneficiary of the EU FOM racket bemoans the loss of his tax payer subsidised ‘cash cow’.
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adindas

triathlon wrote: »

Talk about a self inflicted deep wound. The EU have given us some of the best workers since the old days back in the 1950's and the influx of the tough hard working Irish moving over, and as far as I am concerned and with all the Polish and Czechs I have had as tenants, everyone paid on time and were 100% respectful and decent people.

Try to divert the issue with immigrant hatred ??
I do not think many brexiteers deny the contribution of skilled immigrant in the UK. Even both prime ministers handling Brexit mention that they want them to stay in the UK.

I wonder whether you guys realise why you UK have no other option than to leave with no deal if the EU will not budge with the WA.

The current WA will see the UK to be tied up to the EU, to become a subservient of the EU and to be kept to become a cash cow indefinitely.

Also why is the noise with no deal Brexit. Keep in mind With No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. If Ireland could take it than UK who are much better prepared shall be able to handle Brexit more orderly.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

Any living evidence of WW2 might want to share their own experience of WW" in comparison to he coming event of no deal Brexit. Please be honest …

Sailtheworld

ukcarper wrote: »

I think you are correct about Labour, but although a leadership campaign was the result of Tories and would have been welcomed by many in Tory party the ERG were opposed to backstop.

Rees-Mogg and Johnson both (eventually) voted for the withdrawal deal so thy obviously didn't think it was as terrible as they made out.

I might be a cynic but by the end of March they probably realised May would be ousted so didn't need to pretend their opposition was anything to do with brexit anymore.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

A probable direct beneficiary of the EU FOM racket bemoans the loss of his tax payer subsidised ‘cash cow’.
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As a public sector worker, you're probably the biggest beneficiary of EU FOM rules on this forum. I'd suggest you never forget who funds your 'job for life' and generous pension benefits.

European migrants living in the UK contribute £2,300 more to public purse each year than the average adult, suggesting a net contribution of £78,000 to the exchequer over their lifespan in the UK.

https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba

Takedap

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The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

Any living evidence of WW2 might want to share their own experience of WW" in comparison to he coming event of no deal Brexit. Please be honest …[/QUOTE]

"Vote for Brexit. It's better than being at war"

Really?? That's the best you can do?

Sailtheworld

adindas wrote: »

The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

Any living evidence of WW2 might want to share their own experience of WW" in comparison to he coming event of no deal Brexit. Please be honest …

Total UK deaths in WWII were about 1% of the 1939 population (according to Wikipedia). A no-deal brexit won't be that bad.

What do you think this proves other than it won't be as bad as the worst thing you could think of?

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

As a public sector worker, you're probably the biggest beneficiary of EU FOM rules on this forum. I'd suggest you never forget who funds your 'job for life' and generous pension benefits.

https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba

That old chestnut Mayo.
The poster only cited Eastern European’s I think, the last article I saw on the subject stated that Eastern European EU migrants pay less income tax and claim more in in-work benefits than U.K. workers and let’s face it we’ve all known someone funding their retirement as a landlord of low skilled EU migrants working part time and in receipt of housing benefit.
I don’t blame the individuals per se, but it is a racket and needs to end.