Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

phillw

Conina wrote: »

An infinitely better place than the capitulation offered by May and so many remainers.

You and the other leavers prove every day why the backstop was required and why the EU won't agree to anything all the time untrustworthy leavers are involved.

The backstop was only intended to make sure that you negotiated in good faith, you knew you wouldn't be able to do that and so couldn't agree to it.

Farage & Banks have now started targeting other causes with their hate filled views. I expect his little hitler followers to be emboldened even further. Brexit is just the thin end of the wedge. This country is on the way down now, no stopping it.

Conina

phillw wrote: »

You and the other leavers prove every day why the backstop was required and why the EU won't agree to anything all the time untrustworthy leavers are involved.

The backstop was only intended to make sure that you negotiated in good faith, you knew you wouldn't be able to do that and so couldn't agree to it.

Farage & Banks have now started targeting other causes with their hate filled views. I expect his little hitler followers to be emboldened even further. Brexit is just the thin end of the wedge. This country is on the way down now, no stopping it.

Every single leave voter understood just who was untrustworthy which is why Brexit won, and ranting against these Brexit voters in such a nasty and negative manner hasn't exactly done the EU cause any good buy hey if it makes you feel better ......... just watch the door on your way out.

gfplux

Conina wrote: »

It will have to be by default because the EU refuse to believe that the UK would leave without a deal, once it's happened and the EU realise that it wasn't a bluff then we will start to see agreements being reached but by this time the EU will realise that these agreements have to work for both sides and not just for the EU.

Trade deals are just like any deal. After Brexit “with a withdrawal deal” Britain will sit down opposite a group of 27 countrys with good will on both sides to negotiate. If there is a NO DEAL those 27 countries sitting opposite (if they actually come to the table) will be very upset, with their political leaders angry, financially damaged, and angry with Britain. The damage will be done. Why would they actually want to do a trade deal.

Moby

Conina wrote: »

An infinitely better place than the capitulation offered by May and so many remainers.

Really! Sounds wonderful doesn't it....the sunlit uplands....a country comfortable with itself....a great future for the next generation!
All we have to look forward to now is years of conflict; years of conflict over the Irish border; growing calls to break up the union in Scotland and Wales and a difficult political and economic relationship with our nearest neighbours; as well as a divided country going forward. Now those things are pretty certain. Throw into the mix, (not certain granted), the likelihood of long term economic decline and you have the biggest exercise of self harm a country has ever inflicted on itself imo.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-times/uk-faces-food-fuel-and-drugs-shortages-in-no-deal-brexit-times-citing-official-documents-idUKKCN1V70M4

'Britain will face shortages of fuel, food and medicine if it leaves the European Union without a transition deal, jamming ports and requiring a hard border in Ireland, official government documents leaked to the Sunday Times show'.

The Times said the forecasts compiled by the Cabinet Office set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than the worst case scenarios.

They said up to 85% of lorries using the main channel crossings “may not be ready” for French customs, meaning disruption at ports would potentially last up to three months before the flow of traffic improves.

The government also believes a hard border between the British province of Northern Ireland and the Republic will be likely as current plans to avoid widespread checks will prove unsustainable, the Times said.

“Compiled this month by the Cabinet Office under the codename Operation Yellowhammer, the dossier offers a rare glimpse into the covert planning being carried out by the government to avert a catastrophic collapse in the nation’s infrastructure,” the Times reported.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

Trade deals are just like any deal. After Brexit “with a withdrawal deal” Britain will sit down opposite a group of 27 countrys with good will on both sides to negotiate. If there is a NO DEAL those 27 countries sitting opposite (if they actually come to the table) will be very upset, with their political leaders angry, financially damaged, and angry with Britain. The damage will be done. Why would they actually want to do a trade deal.

Pragmatism

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

Pragmatism

Bemuses me why people would think otherwise. A business owner on the continent is more concerned about making a profit than the Brussels Project. There'll be a backlash.

adindas

phillw wrote: »

WOW, just WOW. So all through the campaign you said that David Cameron was telling lies and what he was saying was project fear and that it wouldn't happen.

NOW you are picking and choosing the things that are convenient for your argument.

You don't have any kind of concept of the truth. More leave lies.


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WOW, just WOW. WOW, just WOW. (I double the element of surprise :j:j:j:j)

People know that David Cameron and other Remain Campaigners said that leaving the EU would mean
- Leaving The single Market
- Leaving the custom Union
- It would be once in a life time experience

In the meanwhile leading leave Campaigners said leaving the EU would mean
- End of extortionate pay to the EU
- End of ECJ
- End of Freedom of Movement

People do not get scared and that is what what the voters want and thus voted to leave.

Which part of my post you have replied is a lie please quote or highlight.

Now the result of brexit is already known. The current government who are part of the leave campaigners want to deliver what they have said during the referendum but the re-moaners keep frustrating the process and tie up the hand of UK negotiator position because they want to reverse brexit. So who are liars in this case ?

Also keep in mind some of the MPs who keep frustrating the process are the MPs who voted in favour of triggering article 50 when they still have a very good chance to reverse Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

A few to name (under their old party umbrellas):

Heidi Allen (Conservative - South Cambridgeshire)
Anna Soubry (Conservative - Broxtowe)
Mr Chuka Umunna (Labour - Streatham)
Mr Philip Hammond (Conservative - Runnymede and Weybridge)
Yvette Cooper (Labour - Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford)
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour - Islington North)
Mr Dominic Grieve (Conservative - Beaconsfield)
Mr George Osborne (Conservative - Tatton)
Mr David Gauke (Conservative - South West Hertfordshire)
Keir Starmer (Labour - Holborn and St Pancras)

These people have also betrayed the people who voted to remain. Just wait until they will betray you again.

Some people might want to remember these names when come to voting on the next general election.

Arklight

adindas wrote: »

WOW, just WOW. WOW, just WOW. (I double the element of surprise :j:j:j:j)

People know that David Cameron and other Remain Campaigners said that leaving the EU would mean
- Leaving The single Market
- Leaving the custom Union
- It would be once in a life time experience

In the meanwhile leading leave Campaigners said leaving the EU would mean
- End of extortionate pay to the EU
- End of ECJ
- End of Freedom of Movement

People do not get scared and that is what what majority of voter wants and thus voted to leave.

Which part of my post you have replied was a lie please quote or highlight.

I'm not sure that's wholly accurate, but irrespective of what people were told or thought 3 years ago, leaving the EU is a terrible idea and if there were another plebiscite tomorrow, Remain would win. Sufficient numbers of Leave voters have either changed their minds, or died of old age, to achieve this.

I didn't want Leave to win mainly because a Tory Brexit was only ever going to lead to a lurch to the Right of an already unappealingly right wing party. Now we have the Tories led by racists, xenophobes and religious fundamentalists, not just advised by them, and we are stumbling towards a No Deal Brexit. This will leave us with the US, run by the most ideologically repugnant regime in the G7, as our only backup. Oh, and a trade deal with New Zealand to export sheep. Rather than the continent we've done most of our trade with since roman times.

I'm failing to see any upsides of Brexit, and as you Brexiters have failed to identify any yourselves (in spite of 3 years of trying) I think we should call the whole thing off.

Peter_Williams

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, we've got them just where we want them :rotfl:

''We''?
You think you're part of the government?
The UK government couldn't care less if you died tomorrow. They'd step over your corpse in the street.
A brainwashed individual indeed.

adindas

Arklight wrote: »

I'm not sure that's wholly accurate, but irrespective of what people were told or thought 3 years ago, leaving the EU is a terrible idea and if there were another plebiscite tomorrow, Remain would win. Sufficient numbers of Leave voters have either changed their minds, or died of old age, to achieve this.

I didn't want Leave to win mainly because a Tory Brexit was only ever going to lead to a lurch to the Right of an already unappealingly right wing party. Now we have the Tories led by racists, xenophobes and religious fundamentalists, not just advised by them, and we are stumbling towards a No Deal Brexit. This will leave us with the US, run by the most ideologically repugnant regime in the G7, as our only backup. Oh, and a trade deal with New Zealand to export sheep. Rather than the continent we've done most of our trade with since roman times.

I'm failing to see any upsides of Brexit, and as you Brexiters have failed to identify any yourselves (in spite of 3 years of trying) I think we should call the whole thing off.

The debate about the pro and contra of Brexit was already over UK have voted to leave. It is now the process of exiting the EU.

How could you say it is a terrible idea if UK is still in the EU. What you see now is the disruption caused the re-moaners who do not want to accept the result of a very democratic decision taken in the referendum and ratified by the Parliament.

So if you do not want to see this disruption ask re-moaners to stop remoaning and accept the result of the referendum.

Everybody knows that there will be a short term impact of Brexit , but Brexit is all about the long term benefit not short term. The same things when the nation had to make decision of joining EURO, now a few decades later you could see who are laughing now.

Come back in this forum in about ten years time and prove it that Brexit is a terrible idea.