Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

Filo25 wrote: »

She made a misstep (although one she has rowed back from pretty quickly), if you think that makes her unfit for her position I don't know what you must think of Corbyn!

Even with LD grudging support Corbyn does not have the votes to lead a GNU, he can't bring the Tory rebels onside, and I would guess he needs 8 of them as a bare minimum and probably more.

The Lib Dems only stated goal has been preventing no deal Brexit. The first opportunity they have to achieve this and they change tack because Swinson is worried it'll jeopardise her helping Boris Johnson back into No.10 in the next general election.

Corbyn's position isn't especially appealing to Remainers but it has been relatively consistent, and the EU doesn't detest him unlike almost everyone who could be a Tory leader.

The best chance the UK has of leaving in an orderly fashion with a deal is under a Corbyn Lexit.

The unholy trinity if Johnson, Jo Swinson and the DUP will only result in no deals, no clarity, isolation, and the probable break up of the UK. Of course, some people want that.

Thrugelmir

RealElement47 wrote: »

So many said no deal will never happen,

Now it seems no deal will happen because they will never come to any agreement

Agreements will ultimately be reached. Even if simply by default.

Conina

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Agreements will ultimately be reached. Even if simply by default.

It will have to be by default because the EU refuse to believe that the UK would leave without a deal, once it's happened and the EU realise that it wasn't a bluff then we will start to see agreements being reached but by this time the EU will realise that these agreements have to work for both sides and not just for the EU.

SpiderLegs

Arklight wrote: »

The Lib Dems only stated goal has been preventing no deal Brexit. The first opportunity they have to achieve this and they change tack because Swinson is worried it'll jeopardise her helping Boris Johnson back into No.10 in the next general election.

Corbyn's position isn't especially appealing to Remainers but it has been relatively consistent, and the EU doesn't detest him unlike almost everyone who could be a Tory leader.

The best chance the UK has of leaving in an orderly fashion with a deal is under a Corbyn Lexit.

The unholy trinity if Johnson, Jo Swinson and the DUP will only result in no deals, no clarity, isolation, and the probable break up of the UK. Of course, some people want that.

If only Jeremy had instructed his MPs to avoid no-deal by voting for the one on the table.


Everybody else’s mess except his is it?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Agreements will ultimately be reached.

However none of them will be as good as the one we already have as an EU member.

Peter_Williams

SpiderLegs wrote: »

If only Jeremy had instructed his MPs to avoid no-deal by voting for the one on the table.

it?

Why would he do that?
The Brexit arguments are damaging the Tories and JC wants that to continue.

It's also damaging Labour, but any disruption usually benefits the opposition.

A 'no deal' Brexit that did result in economic disruption would harm the Tories and Labour could then win.

That's why the GBP drops whenever Brexit looks likely. It's not just the trade disruption caused by Brexit, it's the risk of the Tories then losing to Labour.

Arklight

Conina wrote: »

It will have to be by default because the EU refuse to believe that the UK would leave without a deal, once it's happened and the EU realise that it wasn't a bluff then we will start to see agreements being reached but by this time the EU will realise that these agreements have to work for both sides and not just for the EU.

Yes, we've got them just where we want them :rotfl:

phillw

SpiderLegs wrote: »

How badly must the labour leadership actually be that nobody

It's not how bad they are, it's how bad the failed lying tories have made them out. sad.

phillw

adindas wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]Just remembered what David Cameron and other leading remain campaigners said during the referendum campaign. Leaving the EU is [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Once in a life time experience[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Leaving The single Market[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Leaving the custom Union[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]So why extreme? They just want to deliver what exactly have been said during the referendum campaign.[/FONT]

WOW, just WOW. So all through the campaign you said that David Cameron was telling lies and what he was saying was project fear and that it wouldn't happen.

NOW you are picking and choosing the things that are convenient for your argument.

You don't have any kind of concept of the truth. More leave lies.

cogito wrote: »

'An extreme Tory brexit'. Such an interesting choice of words to describe a situation brought about by extreme remainers who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the only deal on the table.

A lot of the people who voted for it were remainers, it was the ERG that blocked the UK from leaving the EU because of their right wing facist views.

BobQ wrote: »

What I find sad is that we all know that probably a quarter of the country are devoutly in favour of remain and about the same have an evangelical belief in leaving without a deal.

The sad thing is that once we leave the percentage of people who will regret not doing more to prevent leaving the EU will increase and the leavers will stand their laughing saying that they missed their chance and it was "the will of the people", even when they know that not to be true. Cambridge Analytica have been involved in rigging elections all round the world & it's clear that democracy is broken. It's all the right wingers that are benefiting from it and even rejoicing in it.

Conina

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, we've got them just where we want them :rotfl:

An infinitely better place than the capitulation offered by May and so many remainers.