Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Backbiter

Someone needs to show Gove this video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1163045464746483712

Herzlos

Patel planning on ending free movement for EU citizens on brexit day, even though no other system is likely to be in place:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html

That'll cause utter chaos, especially for those caught in limbo.

ukcarper wrote: »

There will be a balance in power to EU but don't forget impact will vary across EU countries and a deal will benefit both sides.

May's deal was just withdrawal agree not final trading arrangement.

Exactly. May's deal prevented us for being screwed whilst we negotiate a new arrangement. WTO terms will hurt us more so the EU can just wait until we blink first.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Patel planning on ending free movement for EU citizens on brexit day, even though no other system is likely to be in place:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html

That'll cause utter chaos, especially for those caught in limbo.



Exactly. May's deal prevented us for being screwed whilst we negotiate a new arrangement. WTO terms will hurt us more so the EU can just wait until we blink first.

Things have certainly taken a step backwards which could have been avoided if Labour had accepted May's deal.

triathlon

Herzlos wrote: »

Patel planning on ending free movement for EU citizens on brexit day, even though no other system is likely to be in place:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html

That'll cause utter chaos, especially for those caught in limbo.



Exactly. May's deal prevented us for being screwed whilst we negotiate a new arrangement. WTO terms will hurt us more so the EU can just wait until we blink first.

Talk about a self inflicted deep wound. The EU have given us some of the best workers since the old days back in the 1950's and the influx of the tough hard working Irish moving over, and as far as I am concerned and with all the Polish and Czechs I have had as tenants, everyone paid on time and were 100% respectful and decent people.

Buster_Move

Herzlos wrote: »

Patel planning on ending free movement for EU citizens on brexit day, even though no other system is likely to be in place:
That'll cause utter chaos, especially for those caught in limbo.

I don't see the problem. Won't the EU similarly stop FoM of UK citizens on that date so why expect the UK to be any different? And it's not exactly as if the date with associated consequences hasn't been known for a while.

Buster_Move

triathlon wrote: »

Talk about a self inflicted deep wound. The EU have given us some of the best workers since the old days back in the 1950's and the influx of the tough hard working Irish moving over, and as far as I am concerned and with all the Polish and Czechs I have had as tenants, everyone paid on time and were 100% respectful and decent people.

That's truly amazing since the EU wasn't formed in the 1950's and the then Common Market consisted of six countries. None were eastern European and none then had freedom of movement between countries either.
So it looks like you're saying it worked before the EU, why shouldn't it work after?

They might have given us some of the best, but together with some of the worst too like so many of those claiming self employed benefits while working as car wash operators and manicurists.

Thrugelmir

Originally Posted by triathlon
the influx of the tough hard working Irish moving over,

The Irish have been leaving Eire since the potato famine.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Exactly. May's deal prevented us for being screwed whilst we negotiate a new arrangement. WTO terms will hurt us more so the EU can just wait until we blink first.

You mean that the benevolent EU would have screwed us without May's deal? Surely not.

They would have screwed us even more with it. Thank God Parliament rejected it.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

You mean that the benevolent EU would have screwed us without May's deal? Surely not.

They would have screwed us even more with it. Thank God Parliament rejected it.

No I mean we'd screw ourselves less with May's deal. We could have been on a good deal by now but we still can't decide what we want.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

No I mean we'd screw ourselves less with May's deal. We could have been on a good deal by now but we still can't decide what we want.

You seriously think the eu would have just said OK we'll carry on as we are for the trade deal?

They would have taken as long as they could, because they want to set an example. They want to keep us tied to them, unable to sort any trade deals, as long as possible. THAT is what the backstop is about. It is not about protecting Ireland, they have already proved they will screw any country they want to just to keep them in line (just look at Greece).

What they are terrified of is that we will get out and prosper. They have strangled us for so long, taking away our trade, taking away our fish, massively depleting our fish stock by over fishing (plenty of eu fishermen seem to ignore their rules), even taking away our ability to train our own people.

They have asked other countries not to give their people the chance of a referendum on membership in case they decide to leave.

No, that backstop was designed to stop us in our tracks, not to protect Ireland.