Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

quirkydeptless

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Of course now that Jo Swinson is public enemy no. 2 (behind Tom Watson) in the eyes of momentum she’ll be getting a new label. I wonder if it will be the traditional ‘far-right nazi’ or the more de rigueur ‘zionist’.

#JoSwinsonIsATory was trending on Twitter

Malthusian

quirkydeptless wrote: »

#JoSwinsonIsATory was trending on Twitter

Anything that gets the Lib Dems or their leadership trending on Twitter has to be counted as a success.

If Tory activists think the Lib Dems are plastic Labourites and Labour activists think the Lib Dems are plastic Tories then the Lib Dems are doing something right.

Labourites forget that if the Lib Dems made it their goal to get Labour into power, nobody would vote Lib Dem. If someone wants Labour in power they'll vote Labour. (Tactical voters are an irrelevant minority; if there were enough of them to actually matter they could vote for the party they actually wanted.)

The Lib Dems' main objective is to hoover up the offcuts and shop floor sweepings of the two-party system. People who don't want to vote Labour or Tory, but still want to feel their vote matters, so don't want to vote for a completely silly party like the Monster Raving Loonies or the Greens or the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist). That is their only reason for existing and is the basis for their wishy-washy political philosophy.

For the past three years, hoovering up the die-hard Remainers has proven a rich but one-off source of shop-floor sweepings. Next year of course that will end as Brexit will be fish and chip wrapping, and the Lib Dems will be back to recruiting people too socially liberal for the Tories and too economically liberal for Labour.

The Lib Dems are quite correct to not back a Corbyist coup. They would gain no votes from Labour voters (they vote Labour) and lose a lot of their own members who vote Lib Dem because they can't stand Corbyn or Labour in general. It makes far more sense to wait for a general election with a hung parliament.

Herzlos

Malthusian wrote: »

Anything that gets the Lib Dems or their leadership trending on Twitter has to be counted as a success.

I'm not sure, the Lib Dems still haven't quite shaken off the hatred from the 2010 coalition with the Tories which many people regard as a great betrayal. I think the last thing they want to do is come across as closet Tories again, even just Tory sympathizers.


This could also lose them their "cancel brexit at any cost" voters, since they've made it clear that they aren't actually the anti-Brexit party.

StevieJ

buglawton wrote: »

Nice list of apocryphal EU rules. Maybe a grain of truth in some of them though. I haven't seen a 'pinta' for 20 years and our local lollipop person was replaced by pedestrian crossing lights.
Some of those EU rules have crept into the UK via osmosis as part of our new politically correct life and 'elf'n'safety jobsworthism

I still see milk being delivered, also lollipop ladies and bent bananas for that matter

SouthLondonUser

I will be happy to post pictures of the local milkman and the local lollipop ladies. But the Daily Express would probably say that these are privileges reserved for the elites within the m25 etc etc etc

Sailtheworld

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

I attended a wedding near Bordeaux last weekend with other Brits who lived nearby. The one thing that united them was their utter hatred of UK polititians.

I find find small talk like how you know the bride & groom just gets in the way of finding things to be united in hatred about.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

And their view of Macron? Hardly a beacon of popularity himself.

Don't take it personally Thrug - I'm sure the French & British guests were united in their hatred of Macron too.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Don't take it personally Thrug - I'm sure the French & British guests were united in their hatred of Macron too.

Hatred is rather strong I feel. Unpopular is a fairer description. Suspect even BJ garners more support % wise.

buglawton

StevieJ wrote: »

I still see milk being delivered, also lollipop ladies and bent bananas for that matter

I must be living in an EU-approved part of the UK then.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Herzlos wrote: »

This could also lose them their "cancel brexit at any cost" voters, since they've made it clear that they aren't actually the anti-Brexit party.

Lib Dems are only stating the bleeding obvious when they note a Corbyn fronted GNU attempt wouldn't pull enough tories to make it happen.

Don't forget there's no doubt going to be a number of Labour (or former Labour) Brexiteers to overcome on top of the 2 gains theoretically required for a simple majority...

But it probably has to be tried first out of deference to tradition.

If and when it fails though, the Corbynites will have to swing behind a more widely accepted compromise GNU candidate or be accused of enabling an extreme Tory Brexit.

cogito

'An extreme Tory brexit'. Such an interesting choice of words to describe a situation brought about by extreme remainers who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the only deal on the table.

So they have now painted the UK into a cul-de-sac from which there is only one way out because their beloved EU won’t offer them another exit route. Before blaming others for the likeliest outcome, they need to take a good look in the mirror.