Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Zuzel

EU leaders 'have accepted UK is leaving without a deal'

"Brussels is said to be operating on a "working hypothesis of no-deal" after accepting the prime minister "isn't bluffing" about crashing out of the bloc.

It comes after a meeting on Monday between European Commission officials and Brexit diplomats from the 27 other EU member states."
https://news.sky.com/story/eu-leaders-have-accepted-uk-is-leaving-without-a-deal-11778386

If they continue to refuse to negotiate a deal as Article 50 says the EU must, since their proposal has been rejected three times by Britains MP's we surely have an excellent case to do as Trump suggested long ago and sue.

StevieJ

Zuzel wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36619565

So what? You said that Chester voted to leave, Cheshire West and Chester did vote to leave, but not the City of Chester. It is like saying that Scotland voted to leave just because the UK did. The City of Chester voted comprehensively to remain.

lisyloo

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Ah yes, I’m sure leader of the opposition Jeremy corbyn and his friends in high places will be up for that.

‘Excuse me Jeremy, we’ve kicked out the tories and now we’d like to kick you out as well so your subordinate or some non-entity from nowhere can take over instead. It might be the death of any credibility you want to keep hold of but that’s no problem is it Jeremy?’

How utterly ridiculous.

As I said I’m not going to flog a dead horse, it pointless.
These are not my ideas just articles coming up in the press.

I think you are Underestimating the strength of resolve amongst those who think no deal is suicidal.
Yes they are prepare to lose their jobs/careers, but as I said I’m not going to repeat it ad nauseum but if you think they are all going to roll over or let petty differences get in the way then you are much mistaken about that.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

Because they care passionately about the cause.
Several have committed to doing everything they can e.g. Hammond

That’s fine. It was 30+ a post ago. Now it’s several.
This new govt majority is shrinking right in front of our eyes.

I realise the thrust of this thread is towards leaving and participating may be flogging a dead horse, but I don’t think anyone should underestimate the strength of feeling and determination amongst MPs and ordinary people like Gina Miller to stop a no deal (and yes I’m aware that some say it can’t be done and it’s too late).
I don’t know whether they will succeed, but I am certain some top brains are going to be doing everything they can and a number of tories are going to be doing a lot of hard thinking over the recess.

It’s ironic that the strength of feeling from Gina Miller Ltd has got us to this point. Without them the govt would have signed off on any old crap.
Perhaps a lesson to learn there...

A lot of things are going on behind the scenes between the parties mentioned e.g. persuading Sinn Fein to give up their 7 seats.
Doddle no, absolute determination to the point of putting careers on The line - absolutely yes.

There is no doubt that there is strong feeling on both sides.

I’ve read the Sinn Fein plan. What a load of rubbish. Not only is it desperate beyond belief but completely pointless.
As you’ve stated, the numbers are there to get a VONC through. Sinn Fein are not needed for that.

These tactics are just getting silly now. I’ve no doubt that the tories will lose a confidence vote in the first days of September. It’s pretty much guaranteed.

Can you tell us what the plan is after that?

Extension?
Revoke?
Another referendum?
Election?

Zuzel

StevieJ wrote: »

So what? You said that Chester voted to leave, Cheshire West and Chester did vote to leave, but not the City of Chester. It is like saying that Scotland voted to leave just because the UK did. The City of Chester voted comprehensively to remain.

Some desperation there?
As you say yourself, "Cheshire West and Chester did vote to leave" ..... so no it is nothing like your analogy.
Continue your pedantry if you wish because that's all it is.
Pedantry.
(Hint: I did not say "the city of Chester".)
Perhaps your energies would be better spent preparing for Brexit.

lisyloo

No sorry I can’t.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

So you're both tacitly admitting you don't know why the back stop is such an issue? Have you read the WA?

# 5197
What I said is in post #5196 what Moe The Bartender said is in post #5193. IS it the same with what you said in post #5197 ?

You will probably need to help vivatifosi
The authoritative argument here is that it is well known that this WA has been rejected three times in the parliament. The MPs got advice from the international lawyers, including the country principal legal adviser on international law, the Attorney General.

It is extremely naive to argue against these people just by saying I have read the whole 599 pages of the withdrawal agreement. Now you Herzlos & vivatifosi work together as a team to prove it that they got it wrong by showing, quoting pages that you claimed the read them all that will convince people.

gfplux

adindas wrote: »

I wonder why some people here still pretend not to realise why you UK have no other option than to leave with no deal if the EU will not budge with the WA.

The current WA will see the UK to be tied up to the EU, to become a subservient of the EU and to be kept to become a cash cow indefinitely. Where is the point of having Brexit

So if the UK leave with no-deal blame the EU, not the UK.

Remember 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. With No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. If Ireland could take it than UK must be able to cushion the brexit impact more smoothly.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war ? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

Any living evidence of WW2 might want to share their own experience of WW" in comparison to he coming event of no deal Brexit. Please be honest …

I just do not understand Brexiters now starting the blame game.

Britain requested to leave the EU.
Britain triggered the A50
Britain sat down with the EU to negotiate the withdrawal
Britain and the EU agreed a withdrawal/transition/political understanding deal.

THEN AND ONLY THEN The British Government regects the deal.

If Britain leave the EU at the end of October without a deal there are a lot of people to blame but NOT the EU.

Please save me from Brexiters crying that Brexit was not a huge success because those awful people of the EU.

If you get Brexit, just suck it up. You wanted it, you got it now shut up.

lisyloo

Yep, we all expected Boris/tories to blame the Eu.
Must admit I didn’t expect it so soon.
Makes it easier for Corbyn to call a vote of no confidence as boris plan to negotiate a new deal is already dead in the water.

gfplux

Zuzel wrote: »

"Brussels is said to be operating on a "working hypothesis of no-deal" after accepting the prime minister "isn't bluffing" about crashing out of the bloc.

It comes after a meeting on Monday between European Commission officials and Brexit diplomats from the 27 other EU member states."
https://news.sky.com/story/eu-leaders-have-accepted-uk-is-leaving-without-a-deal-11778386

If they continue to refuse to negotiate a deal as Article 50 says the EU must, since their proposal has been rejected three times by Britains MP's we surely have an excellent case to do as Trump suggested long ago and sue.

Again and again.
The British Government AND the EU sat down and negotiated the withdrawal/transition/political understanding deal over TWO YEARS.
BOTH sides agreed they had a deal.

Please don’t be silly. The EU is NOT refusing to negotiate. They have already carried out their legal obligations under A50.
Having spent two years they are not prepared to reopen negotiations on the withdrawal agreement but have said they would revisit the NON BINDING political understanding.

Frankly few except sad Brexiters would blame the EU. However when BREXIT turns out to have no cloths someone must be blamed.

It must be them foreigners who will be blamed.