Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

ess0two

gfplux wrote: »

Thanks for the insight.
any tips on the items we might be surprised that disappear from the shelves early.
Or perhaps what items will disappear for longest if it all goes to hell.

Whats your issue? as an EU resident, why are you worrying about stockpiling?

ess0two

gfplux wrote: »

Thanks for the insight.
any tips on the items we might be surprised that disappear from the shelves early.
Or perhaps what items will disappear for longest if it all goes to hell.

Empty shelves in Luxembourg???

Conina

I see that just as our government digs its heels in and asks the EU to reconsider the "deal" that our parliament has refused three times, the Swiss are also refusing to submit to an EU deal which the EU have been working on for over a decade. The Swiss are saying that they hope the EU's tone will change with the arrival of Ms von der Leyen but I suspect that as with our own "deal", because EU attitudes haven't changed neither will their approach to these "deals".

Wouldn't it be interesting if the British and the Swiss quickly do a deal, especially one primarily concerning services which seems to be an area where the EU has comparatively little experience and is trying persuasion on both the British and the Swiss.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-eu/miracle-needed-for-quick-eu-swiss-treaty-deal-swiss-minister-says-idUKKCN1UU0CD

adindas

I wonder why some people here still pretend not to realise why you UK have no other option than to leave with no deal if the EU will not budge with the WA.

The current WA will see the UK to be tied up to the EU, to become a subservient of the EU and to be kept to become a cash cow indefinitely. Where is the point of having Brexit

So if the UK leave with no-deal blame the EU, not the UK.

Remember 85% of Ireland Import/ Export will depend on the UK port. With No-deal Ireland will suffer the most but people there are more united. If Ireland could take it than UK must be able to cushion the brexit impact more smoothly.

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term).

The situation could have been worse. Just imagine those who experienced the second world war ? Is the impact anywhere near with no -deal Brexit ?

Any living evidence of WW2 might want to share their own experience of WW" in comparison to he coming event of no deal Brexit. Please be honest …

lisyloo

adindas wrote: »

I wonder why some people here still pretend not to realise why you UK have no other option than to leave with no deal if the EU will not budge with the WA.

There are lots of people (including tories) looking very hard at options to stop no deal and 30+ Tory Mps reportedly prepared to bring their own party down.

One I’ve seen suggested (on linked in) is Sinn Fein giving up their 7 seats.
The other parties are desperate enough to form a government of national unity in the 14 days following a no confidence vote.

Are you saying no deal is the only leave option or the only option full stop?

I’ve been looking at placing a bet myself but I think all bets are off (apart from a no confidence vote which is 1/7).

Moby

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-fc-news-national-anthem-wembley-why-did-they-boo-jacob-rees-mogg-a9039561.html

Your family makes a huge song-and-dance about being Catholic. Lots of Scousers are Catholic. In Liverpool it’s not the upper-class, dinner-party talking-point version of the religion, though. It’s the poor people’s type. On the other side of the divide there’s a dwindling Orange Lodge presence in the city. I’m sure you and the boys would be interested to see what it’s like to be in a place where people are allowed to parade the streets expressing anti-Catholic rhetoric. It would provide a small glimpse of the sort of extreme Protestantism you find in Northern Ireland and parts of Scotland, where your co-religionists are considered second-class citizens by some – including the Democratic Unionist Party who are propping up your government. Anyone who’s seen this sort of divisiveness up close knows how dangerous the politicking around the Irish Border has become.

Which brings us to the European Union. A significant part of Merseyside’s revival was bankrolled by Europe. The Echo Arena, John Lennon airport, the cruise liner terminal and many other symbols of the city’s regeneration benefited from EU money. That’s why a majority voted Remain. Westminster has not been so generous to Liverpool.

I hope this explains the booing. There’s no single cause but a complex set of cultural and historical reasons.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-fc-news-national-anthem-wembley-why-did-they-boo-jacob-rees-mogg-a9039561.html

Liverpool supporters have been booing the National Anthem at cup finals for decades. No Brexit connection, unless you’re looking for one of course.

phillw

adindas wrote: »

The current WA will see the UK to be tied up to the EU, to become a subservient of the EU and to be kept to become a cash cow indefinitely. Where is the point of having Brexit

How is paying a contribution for the benefit we receive being a "cash cow"? We don't even pay what we should as they gave us a rebate over our previous tantrums.

There is no point in brexit, at least not for you.

Leaving the EU will cost us more money than being a member, but the top 1% will be able to evade more UK tax.

adindas wrote: »

Any living evidence of WW2 might want to share their own experience of WW" in comparison to he coming event of no deal Brexit. Please be honest …

All the leave voters who were alive during WW2 that I have spoken to say that it will do the youngsters good to live through rationing, so I wouldn't expect any honesty from them.

Fortunately the National Food Survey gathered evidence during rationing (which continued well after the war)

https://history.lshtm.ac.uk/2015/04/30/back-in-time-for-dinner-history-and-food/

The food was bland and, until the end of rationing, there wasn’t much of it.

You should try to watch it, you might pick up some tips. Of course some people were fine, if they could afford food on the black market or they grew their own. Not everyone can do that of course.

I'm not sure what advice from people who went through rationing will help the people this 2018 headline was aimed at

Police urge people to stop calling them about KFC chicken shortage

Tromking wrote: »

Liverpool supporters have been booing the National Anthem at cup finals for decades. No Brexit connection, unless you’re looking for one of course.

Who was that comment aimed at? The link in the reply you quoted explains the situation perfectly.

The conservatives helped cover up Hillsborough scandal for years, Boris Johnson was one of the people spreading lies (it's more of a shock on the rare occasion he tells the truth). If you want a Brexit connection then it's him, he's lied about Liverpool fans at Hilsborough and he's lied that Brexit will have a benefit to the UK.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

Who was that comment aimed at? The link in the reply you quoted explains the situation perfectly.

The conservatives helped cover up Hillsborough scandal for years, Boris Johnson was one of the people spreading lies (it's more of a shock on the rare occasion he tells the truth). If you want a Brexit connection then it's him, he's lied about Liverpool fans at Hilsborough and he's lied that Brexit will have a benefit to the UK.

The author of letter’s eventual Brexit point was that the city of Liverpool has long been a recipient of EU cash and along with all the other reasons the city has an anti establishment grievance, this is why they have always booed the NA at Wembley.
I guess my point is that rather than this being a new phenomenon borne out of Brexit anger, it is in fact just the latest manifestation of a long tradition of Liverpool fans booing the NA. It would’ve happened without Brexit anyway, it’s what the Scousers do when they reach a cup final at Wembley.

Herzlos

The war ended 74 years ago, so you'd need to be well into your 80s to remember much about it. I dare say a lot of those still alive now did fairly well out of the rationing and remember it differently from those that did badly.

We can survive rationing again, as a nation at least, but why should we? Life is pretty good for most now. I'm not sure many people voted to turn us into a post war economy with food shortages, but I guess some probably think it'd stop youngsters complaining rather than causing looting.