Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

The international press' view of Brexit Britain:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson


India.



South Africa

The international press’s view via the Guardian! ZZZZzzzzzz.
The Indian Political elite’s ongoing antipathy toward the U.K. predates Brexit by about 70 years.
South African Journo’s would be better concentrating on their own country and it’s gradual descent into economic basket case territory.

There’s been no shortage of anti-British sentiment over the last three years from various talking heads, all seemingly with a historical axe to grind, usually with a colonial reference point. It’s as if they were all banking on the U.K. being quietly subsumed by a European Supersate or something!
Their only connection is how they are seized upon by self-loathing ‘liberals’ in order to paint Brexit as the work of empire obsessed right wingers.
Linking to these sad sacks might make you feel better Arky, but I don’t see it changing much.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

I'll bookmark this.

Happy to to own the post Brexit financial apocalypse.
In that regard, Arky were you an advocate at the time of Gideon’s post referendum ‘blip’ in the economy?
You know, the 500,000 Jobs lost and the immediate recession he predicted.
If I had to guess, I reckon you were all over it like a rash!

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

The international press' view of Brexit Britain:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson


India.



South Africa

China

For the past two or three decades, the US and Britain have been cultural symbols in Chinese people’s eyes: the US powerful, rich, enviable; the UK exquisite, elegant. Public intellectuals, especially liberals, talk about the British style of constitutionalism, comparing it to our Soviet-style totalitarian regime. Students know more about Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher than JFK or Bill Clinton. That is real “soft power”.

But now this image has collapsed. In the Brexit farce, there is no Churchill or Thatcher, only a dozen mediocre politicians, none of whom want to take responsibility or unite the nation. This has encouraged the nationalists in China, especially the young generation born after 1989. With the “help” of the great firewall, they knew little about the inner crisis of their own country. But they see that China now has more aircraft carriers, more missiles and more hi-tech fighters, while the UK is trapped in the wallows of Brexit. There is an inner voice in their hearts: “Now we are strong. They are weak. We have nothing to learn from them.”

Japan

Japanese companies invested in Britain because it was a member of the EU. But agreeing a Japan-UK free trade deal after Brexit would take a very long time, and during that period it would be difficult for Japanese firms to continue operating in Britain.

With or without a deal, leaving the EU is a bad idea and I hope, somehow, that Brexit won’t happen

Brazil

And as Brazilians we know that Brits in general are better educated than us. So it was quite shocking to see people being driven by lies to vote for Brexit – and betraying all those principles of multiculturalism, liberalism and free markets.

MobileSaver

AG47 wrote: »

D Banks FIFTY TRILLION derivatives problem is perhaps the biggest reason to leave the sinking ship that is the EU.

Only if you are a conspiracy theory nut job who has no idea how derivatives work! :rotfl:

Arklight

Tromking wrote: »

The international press’s view via the Guardian! ZZZZzzzzzz.
The Indian Political elite’s ongoing antipathy toward the U.K. predates Brexit by about 70 years.
South African Journo’s would be better concentrating on their own country and it’s gradual descent into economic basket case territory.

There’s been no shortage of anti-British sentiment over the last three years from various talking heads, all seemingly with a historical axe to grind, usually with a colonial reference point. It’s as if they were all banking on the U.K. being quietly subsumed by a European Supersate or something!
Their only connection is how they are seized upon by self-loathing ‘liberals’ in order to paint Brexit as the work of empire obsessed right wingers.
Linking to these sad sacks might make you feel better Arky, but I don’t see it changing much.

So you're not anticipating much trade with the Commonwealth then?

If we are abandoning Europe (it must be clear to even the most optimistic Brexiter by now that there will be no individual trade deals with EU countries), and by your own admission the UKs colonial legacy hasn't left us with much leverage in the former colonies, then who is left?

Oh yes the US. The shining hope for British right wingers who have never been there.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

So you're not anticipating much trade with the Commonwealth then?

If we are abandoning Europe (it must be clear to even the most optimistic Brexiter by now that there will be no individual trade deals with EU countries), and by your own admission the UKs colonial legacy hasn't left us with much leverage in the former colonies, then who is left?

Oh yes the US. The shining hope for British right wingers who have never been there.

I think the US Congress will have something to say about a US trade deal:-
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/uk-hopes-for-quick-us-trade-deal-are-pie-in-brexit-sky-1.3975615

Never mind .....as we know brexiters told us they knew what they were doing when they voted for brexit so there is obviously a contingency plan!

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

So you're not anticipating much trade with the Commonwealth then?

If we are abandoning Europe (it must be clear to even the most optimistic Brexiter by now that there will be no individual trade deals with EU countries), and by your own admission the UKs colonial legacy hasn't left us with much leverage in the former colonies, then who is left?

Oh yes the US. The shining hope for British right wingers who have never been there.

Hyperbole really is your guiding principle isn’t it?
Abandoning Europe? Europe is fifty nations, 27 of which are EU members.
I may be a time served civil servant, but even I know that business will adapt to the new normal and that will be a negative and a positive. I have more faith in an fully independent U.K. adapting to the new normal than a U.K. stuck in the EU where change will only happen if it suits the German need to keep a devalued Euro and the French need to protect its agricultural sector.
Give me 21st Century Global Britain over a 20th Century protectionist anachronism anyday.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

Hyperbole really is your guiding principle isn’t it?
Abandoning Europe? Europe is fifty nations, 27 of which are EU members.
I may be a time served civil servant, but even I know that business will adapt to the new normal and that will be a negative and a positive. I have more faith in an fully independent U.K. adapting to the new normal than a U.K. stuck in the EU where change will only happen if it suits the German need to keep a devalued Euro and the French need to protect its agricultural sector.
Give me 21st Century Global Britain over a 20th Century protectionist anachronism anyday.

Your faith though is just hot air:-
https://hbr.org/2019/03/brexit-is-already-affecting-uk-businesses-heres-how

Arklight

Tromking wrote: »

Hyperbole really is your guiding principle isn’t it?
Abandoning Europe? Europe is fifty nations, 27 of which are EU members.
I may be a time served civil servant, but even I know that business will adapt to the new normal and that will be a negative and a positive. I have more faith in an fully independent U.K. adapting to the new normal than a U.K. stuck in the EU where change will only happen if it suits the German need to keep a devalued Euro and the French need to protect its agricultural sector.
Give me 21st Century Global Britain over a 20th Century protectionist anachronism anyday.

Prosperity comes from trade, which will be the first thing that Brexit will disrupt. Brexiters have offered no post Brexit political solution to this other than pointing to some sort of ineffable British pluck that no one in the rest of the world appears to care for.

The EU is the largest single market on the planet. If you're suggesting that British companies, who don't want Brexit, are suddenly going to replace their EU markets with Russia, and the Ukraine et al, despite being told by the very same companies that there isn't a market there for them, please explain how. I am sure they would be very grateful to hear. I know I would. I expect what I'll get is a load of guff about how I'm a remoaner and an anti-Semitic communist who hates the UK and therefore can't understand the magical British future of flag waving to come.

buglawton

Prosperity comes from trade, which will be the first thing that Brexit will change. Probably for the better in the long run.