Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Backbiter

It's a good job these experts know nothing:

From the BBC:

The former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers has said he does not expect the UK to secure a trade deal with the US soon after Brexit.

"While this is at the top of your agenda, in the United States, we have an election that will be more preoccupying than any presidential election in the last 50 years," Mr Summers, who also served in the Obama administration, told Today.

"We have economic conflict with China and - even on top of that - the deterioration of the pound is going to further complicate the negotiating picture," he continued.

"We will see it as giving Britain an artificial comparative advantage and make us think about the needs to retaliate against Britain, not to welcome Britain with new trade agreements."

Even if the two countries could come to an agreement, Mr Summers said the UK is in a weak negotiating position.

"Britain has much less to give than Europe as a whole did, therefore less reason for the United States to make concessions.

"You make more concessions dealing with a wealthy man than you do dealing with a poor man."

"Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate, Britain has nothing else, it needs an agreement very soon.

"When you have a desperate partner, that's when you strike the hardest bargain."

lisyloo

Anyway I still want to know who the PM is in this fantasy and what their actually policy on anything is going to be.

The ones I’ve seen suggested are Keir Stamer, Caroline lucas.

lisyloo

SpiderLegs wrote: »

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Oh and why all these disgruntled tories are going to chuck their careers in the bin.

14 days to get the LDs, SNP, labour :rotfl: and various others to come up with an agreed way forward on brexit. Should be a doddle.

Because they care passionately about the cause.
Several have committed to doing everything they can e.g. Hammond

I realise the thrust of this thread is towards leaving and participating may be flogging a dead horse, but I don’t think anyone should underestimate the strength of feeling and determination amongst MPs and ordinary people like Gina Miller to stop a no deal (and yes I’m aware that some say it can’t be done and it’s too late).
I don’t know whether they will succeed, but I am certain some top brains are going to be doing everything they can and a number of tories are going to be doing a lot of hard thinking over the recess.

A lot of things are going on behind the scenes between the parties mentioned e.g. persuading Sinn Fein to give up their 7 seats.
Doddle no, absolute determination to the point of putting careers on The line - absolutely yes.

There is no doubt that there is strong feeling on both sides.

StevieJ

I don't think Boris and his mob actually want to leave with 'no deal' but they will be praying that parliament can stop them (I doubt they will want to deal with the carnage). Next a GE with a request for a big majority so that Brexit can be implemented, blaming Remainers as the enemy of the people. Boris is already out electioneering, promising cash to all and sundry.


Here is an interesting article that I chanced upon

The truth is simple. Boris Johnson isn’t a conservative. He isn’t a man of the people or the champion of grassroots. He’s an internationalist, establishment elite who will say or do anything for personal advantage. Sure, for now that might mean members like what we hear, but let there be no doubt – once elected – Johnson would turn on us in an instant.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/05/boris-johnson-is-a-leftist-fraud/

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

So you're both tacitly admitting you don't know why the back stop is such an issue? Have you read the WA?

If the N Irish were so concerned about their own future why have they not sacked the current representatives and brought some more in?

Quoted in Jan 2019 @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/38648719

Vice-president of Sinn Fein Mrs O'Neill has said: "I believe that the issues which caused the collapse of Stormont can be resolved with political will and mutual respect."

Many people are hoping that a deal can be reached before too long.

BikingBud

VoucherMan wrote: »

Not just imported items, but almost anything. All it needs is for someone to mention that some shelves are looking empty, word spreads, and panic buying starts.


I think it will be this type of activity that causes the main problems, rather than the supply chain itself. On our own Stockpiling thread someone recently pointed out the annual event we have, known as Christmas, that can leave shelves bare for no sensible reason. At least at Christmas you know when normality will return.

Why not go the whole hog?

https://ammo.com/articles/top-27-survivalist-prepper-resources-online

If you wait long enough on the page they offer free ammo as well!

Panic buying stems from scaremongering.

lisyloo

gfplux wrote: »

My favourite Cheese, cheddar the ones I buy in Luxembourg come from the ROI/N Ireland and Somerset.
If one source does not get through there will be a shortage (temporary or otherwise)

I don’t think we’ll have civil unrest over certain types of cheese, but I’m concerned about fuel as without it workers (including key and emergency workers) won’t be able to get to work so this is something people would be prepared to fight over.

How well prepared are we for this?
E.g. North Sea supplies, refining capacity.

BikingBud

"We are not seeing any evidence of the Brexit impact," said Willie Walsh,

British Airways has not detected any change in ticket bookings as a result of uncertainty around Brexit.

Zuzel

StevieJ wrote: »

Not sure about the others but Chester voted to stay, Cheshire West (that does include Chester) voted to leave.


http://democraticdashboard.com/constituency/city-of-chester

St Helens and Halton topped the leave votes at 58% and 57.4% followed by Warrington, Knowsley and Cheshire West and Chester at 54.3%, 51.6%, 50.7%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36619565

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

The ones I’ve seen suggested are Keir Stamer, Caroline lucas.

Ah yes, I’m sure leader of the opposition Jeremy corbyn and his friends in high places will be up for that.

‘Excuse me Jeremy, we’ve kicked out the tories and now we’d like to kick you out as well so your subordinate or some non-entity from nowhere can take over instead. It might be the death of any credibility you want to keep hold of but that’s no problem is it Jeremy?’

How utterly ridiculous.