Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

setmefree2

Arklight wrote: »

our Mini Trump

If Trump had gone to Eton you'd get Boris Johnson.

buglawton

Arklight wrote: »

I do feel sorry for Brits based on the continent while this has been happening. The Conservatives appalling - xenophobic rhetoric against EU citizens in the UK

Can you give us an example?

Enterprise_1701C

setmefree2 wrote: »

Why are they calling it a "No Deal" Brexit when it's a "No DealS" Brexit?


The EU has 40 Trade Deals with 70 countries. Liam Fox has signed 12 deals with 12 countries.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842


And Canada are refusing to sign a deal.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-trade-envoy-quit-deal-canada-a9012421.html


SHAMBOLIC


So stop calling it a no deal Brexit - it' a no DEALS Brexit.

This first part is nothing to do with the trade deal. For all we know they might turn around and say they do not want to negotiate trade deals, even if we paid the divorce fee.

A lot of people seem to forget that thiis first part is about our relationship with the eu.

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

This first part is nothing to do with the trade deal. For all we know they might turn around and say they do not want to negotiate trade deals, even if we paid the divorce fee.

A lot of people seem to forget that thiis first part is about our relationship with the eu.

You mean, if you want the benefits of being in the EU it's probably better just to be in the EU?

Yes, some people do seem to forget that, don't they?

LHW99

Arklight wrote: »

I do feel sorry for Brits based on the continent while this has been happening. The Conservatives appalling - xenophobic rhetoric against EU citizens in the UK, hasn't been copied by Brussels, but the huge uncertainty remains.

Doubt it's going to get any better from today either with our Mini Trump either.

As I understand it is the EU which is refusing to ring-fence the arrangements in the WA if the UK ends up with no deal, whereas the UK Government indicates it would do so for EU citizens.
https://www.thelocal.de/20190619/why-wont-the-eu-act-to-protect-the-rights-of-britons-in-europe

Zuzel

LHW99 wrote: »

As I understand it is the EU which is refusing to ring-fence the arrangements in the WA if the UK ends up with no deal, whereas the UK Government indicates it would do so for EU citizens.
https://www.thelocal.de/20190619/why-wont-the-eu-act-to-protect-the-rights-of-britons-in-europe

You're expecting remainers here to accept facts? :rotfl:

buglawton wrote: »

Can you give us an example?

Don't be silly; as above they'd rather promote dissent even when obviously based on lies than accept facts.



It's hilarious, isn't it?
The obvious abject horror of some remainers screeching and foot-stamping at the prospect of a pro-Brexit government from the top-down after years of remainer scheming comes to a fruition they didn't expect, following their repeatedly trying to deny upholding the democratic decision of a vote held three years ago.
Well if they were for once honest (unlikely I accept) they would agree that this is the position we should have been in immediately the results of the referendum became known, with a Brexit-focused government.
Keep it up though remainers; at this rate we'll see an election with another outcome they won't like and have Nigel Farage as Prime Minister, leading to a far more decisive form of Brexit than their worst nightmares ever envisaged.
So yes, keep it up - and wonder why I like so many others am laughing a true ROTFL at their displeasure as the obvious result of continued denial draws ever nearer.
One word: karma.
:T

lisyloo

This chart shows we’d get Corbyn no Farage by vote share (not sure how that translates into FPTP)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49043552

I don’t believe in karma but I do believe in consequences,

Herzlos

I haven't seen anything about the US supporting us in the Gulf on here. It really highlights our status to them too.


US: Capture an Iranian ship for us.
UK: Sure, on it.
<Iran captures 2 UK ships the following day>
UK: Can we get some help here?
US: No, you're on your own.
UK: EU, can we set up some kind of join defense force?


And people still think the US is going to do anything but shaft us?

cogito wrote: »

Is that the Galileo that broke down on the 11th July and was only restored to service yesterday?

A hugely complex project facing some teething problems doesn't make it a bad thing, and it's actually quite impressive to get it fixed so quickly.


How is our home grown system faring? Without Galileo we're at least a decade and a huge amount of money behind (assuming it doesn't just get taken down by the US who don't want Galileo either but won't attack the EU). If only we hadn't insisted it wasn't fully available to non-EU countries...

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

This first part is nothing to do with the trade deal. For all we know they might turn around and say they do not want to negotiate trade deals, even if we paid the divorce fee.

A lot of people seem to forget that thiis first part is about our relationship with the eu.

Indeed we're still only negotiating leaving, we haven't even gotten on to our future relationship with the EU. It's staggering, isn't it?

Arklight

buglawton wrote: »

Can you give us an example?

Like calling them pawns, denying many of them their right to vote in recent elections, announcing that British companies will have to publish publicly viewable list of their "foreign" workers, forcing them to apply for settled status, and generally treating them like they cheated their way in here.

But this is the government that drove vans around the East End telling residents to "Go Home" and attempted to disenfranchise the Windrush immigrants of their citizenship.

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

I haven't seen anything about the US supporting us in the Gulf on here. It really highlights our status to them too.


US: Capture an Iranian ship for us.
UK: Sure, on it.
<Iran captures 2 UK ships the following day>
UK: Can we get some help here?
US: No, you're on your own.
UK: EU, can we set up some kind of join defense force?


And people still think the US is going to do anything but shaft us?






A hugely complex project facing some teething problems doesn't make it a bad thing, and it's actually quite impressive to get it fixed so quickly.


How is our home grown system faring? Without Galileo we're at least a decade and a huge amount of money behind (assuming it doesn't just get taken down by the US who don't want Galileo either but won't attack the EU). If only we hadn't insisted it wasn't fully available to non-EU countries...






Indeed we're still only negotiating leaving, we haven't even gotten on to our future relationship with the EU. It's staggering, isn't it?

People don't realise the absolute decline in British military power since the Falklands, which was already a conflict the UK couldn't have fought without American support (and that of P&O ferries, although now that's owned by the pro Iranian UAE I doubt we will be using them this time). For example, the US literally unloaded sidewinder missiles from their active aircraft and gave them to the Brits at a day's notice:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/06/falklands.world

Now we have Trump ordering us to attack his enemies (which of course we do) then giving us the middle finger when they retaliate and we are not equal to the threat.

The UK currently has fewer than 80 active ships, a state of the art aircraft carrier that doesn't have enough planes to protect itself because we can't afford them, attached to a Navy that can't even field one full carrier fleet to provide conventional defence.

At least if that one gets sunk we have a spare all ready to go.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-tanker-britain-navy-fact/factbox-iran-tanker-crisis-shows-that-britain-no-longer-rules-the-waves-idUSKCN1UH1GI

But we have Trident, a multi billion pound American white elephant we can use for nothing. You have to hand it to the yanks, when they see someone coming they don't save them from themselves, and they really saw the Brits walk in the door with an open cheque book.